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Old 04-02-2013, 08:36 AM  
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Incest Marriage?
Irish incest couple plan to marry
They only found out after DNA test
By PATRICK COOPER,IrishCentral.com Staff Writer
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An Irish couple, who recently found out they were siblings, will be getting married this month.


An Irish incest couple, who never knew they shared the same father when they met, plan to get married later this month.

They already have a child together after meeting in a nightclub and falling in love.

The man known only as James, never knew his real biological father and says he was prevented from finding out by authorities.

"The way I see it, if the system can know about things and hide the facts, then I can do the same — they turned a blind eye and so can we," the man, told the Irish Mail.

It is forbidden in Irish law for siblings to marry each other.

"People can criticize and say it is not right, but they should say the same about what was done to me in the family law courts."James said.



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Old 04-02-2013, 10:27 AM   #16
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incest might be between two consenting adults

what happened to being open to new ideas and viewpoints?

if you aren't for incest you are just a closed minded bigot.

There are public health reasons to ban incest, regardless of whether they are of consenting age or not. It's not consent/capacity that is the issue.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:29 AM   #17
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I don't think it's fair to say there's no real reason to prohibit same sex marriage. I share your opinion that the reasons are weak and unpersuasive, but encouraging procreation and stable two-parent families by putting opposite sex marriages in a preferential place compared to alternative lifestyles (same sex, mulitple partner, bachelorhood, etc.) is a real reason.

Yes, I would agree with that. States (not the federal government) would have the basic police powers, I think, to continue to disallow homosexual unions. Whether that prohibits the equal protection clause is another story, but I certainly don't think the federal government should be able to refuse to recognize homosexual unions. It's not really a federal question (i.e. DOMA should be ruled unConstitutional).
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:30 AM   #18
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from a biological and evolutionary standpoint, there's a reason there's a taboo against incest--families tend to segregate and be heterozygous for the same lethal mutations (aka, it would be embryonically lethal OR highly deleterious if you had two copies). when close family members reproduce, the odds of those two alleles coming together in the offspring are VERY high, and lead to reduced fitness in the offspring. This is selected against and manifests in the societal pressure against having a child with close family.

Regardless of whether they're consenting or not, when incest occurs and offspring happen, it's BAD.

When two gay or lesbians get together, NO OFFSPRING occur WITHOUT A SURROGATE. Being gay or lesbian has NO REDUCED FITNESS biologically speaking.

pedophilia--yeah, we'll not go there. it's a societal taboo for different reasons than incest. However, (and DON'T take this as me defending pedophilia--I think it's very sickening) it wasn't always a societal taboo. see also: ancient greece and several other ancient cultures.

as for man/woman pedophilia, recall that we haven't always lived as long as we do now--we aren't THAT far removed from women getting married in their pre-teens. is it right? as one that was raised in THIS society with THESE social mores, I'm against it. however, being that we're all the products of the society in which we grow up, somebody from 500 years or so ago would have a COMPLETELY different vantage point.
Consensual sterilization, some "mature" sooner than others. Problems solved.

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Old 04-02-2013, 10:30 AM   #19
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How about bigamy or polygamy?

Multiple consenting adults vs. two consenting adults, if we can define marriage as something other than a one man & one woman can it not be defined as more than one person & one person?

I ask from a legal, and not a moral or religious, stand point.
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How about bigamy or polygamy?

Multiple consenting adults vs. two consenting adults, if we can define marriage as something other than a one man & one woman can it not be defined as more than one person & one person?

I ask from a legal, and not a moral or religious, stand point.

Closer question. Legally, sure whatever. The reality is that states do have a legitimate interest, I think, in prohibiting bigamy/polygamy. Those arguments are between the homosexual arguments (which were just pathetic) and the incest/pedophilia ones (which I think are very strong).
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:32 AM   #21
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Consensual sterilization, some "mature" sooner than others. Problems solved.

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wow, what a well-thought out response. your reasoning is beyond reproach.
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Consensual sterilization, some "mature" sooner than others. Problems solved.

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I'm assuming you're anti gay marriage and that is causing this absurd effort to pin that label on everyone in this discussion?

If so, then you should know that the reason the fight over homosexual unions is over is because it was weak from the start. Barely better than defending miscegenation laws.
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How about bigamy or polygamy?

Multiple consenting adults vs. two consenting adults, if we can define marriage as something other than a one man & one woman can it not be defined as more than one person & one person?

I ask from a legal, and not a moral or religious, stand point.
The arguments against bigamy and polygamy are stronger than those against same-sex marriage (which are laughably weak), but not as strong as against incest/pedophilia which are pretty much iron-clad.

Basically, for banning the legal recognition of polygamy the arguments would probably rely on evidence from fundamental LDS cults and how the women basically become meek, brainwashed sex slaves.
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I can see why those who are staunch christians or jews would be PRO polygamy/bigamy... IT'S BIBLICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Your antiquated and bigoted opinion is noted. Thanks for playing.

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You are being ignorant.

There is no rational reason to ban same-sex marriage. People are only "agin' it cuz the bible tole us it were a sin"

There are strong, psychological and public-health reasons to ban recognition of all of these other objectionable marriages that will easily survive any challenge.
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I can see why those who are staunch christians or jews would be PRO polygamy/bigamy... IT'S BIBLICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't see anything wrong with it save for a more 40 year old virgins.
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I don't see anything wrong with it save for a more 40 year old virgins.
it really is true, you know... the best jokes write themselves.
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Yes, I would agree with that. States (not the federal government) would have the basic police powers, I think, to continue to disallow homosexual unions. Whether that prohibits the equal protection clause is another story, but I certainly don't think the federal government should be able to refuse to recognize homosexual unions. It's not really a federal question (i.e. DOMA should be ruled unConstitutional).
Leaving aside the equal protection part, I agree with all of this.
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Regarding this specific case, hey if they didn't know, and the reason they didn't know is because the state refused to tell the man who his father is, well... I can sympathize with his position.
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Regarding this specific case, hey if they didn't know, and the reason they didn't know is because the state refused to tell the man who his father is, well... I can sympathize with his position.
I would still be cleaning out my mouth and taking hourly showers knowing it was my sister.
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