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Old 04-02-2013, 06:59 AM  
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I guess at this point, it all comes down to Branden Albert.

Just some Chiefs-related rambling this morning. Take it or leave it.

If the team can't sign Branden Albert, or if they trade him, I have worlds of trouble figuring out how they draft anybody but Joeckel/Fisher at 1.1, even if they find a way to trade down, which I now suspect they will.

I'm obviously just one of you guys, but I do follow this shit pretty much every day. I'd say if they ink Albert longterm, that's the only way you avoid going tackle.

Put it like this. Chances of going Joeckel/Fisher:
  • option A: they ink Albert long-term: 5%.
  • option B: if they keep Albert on the franchise tag: 75%.
  • option C: if they trade Albert away: 100%.
I just can't see any scenerio where we choose to let Albert go and they choose to go with Geno or either of the passrushers (Jordan or Ansah) that they obviously like a lot. I can see it happen with Albert on the tag, but even that's hard to see as they'd probably just love bookending Joeckel with Albert for a year before sliding Joeckel over to LT.

Here's the problem with that option, and why I think options A or C are the only viable solutions: if the team is incapable of landing a 2nd rounder for Albert in the 2013 draft, than the best they can hope for outside of doing this whole ordeal again in 2014 is a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2015. That's the deal: a 2nd rounder in 2013, or a 3rd rounder in 2015. That's why the Chiefs are trying to get rid of Albert now.

The fact Albert isn't showing up for practice, the only player to do so, is pretty damning as well. That shows option C to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out in the lead. Option A is far behind, and I don't even think option B has left the gates -- I simply don't regard it as a possibility.

The silver lining of all that, however, is the cap space. Losing Albert, much as I would hate it, means that we can replace him with Joeckel/Fisher and still have $10million in cap space to play with either this year or roll it over to 2014 for god knows who. And the player replacing Albert, at least, will be younger and cheaper for at least five years. So there's that.

What are the odds that Albert comes down on his contract demands if the Chiefs can't find adequate trade compensation? Perhaps Albert can take that as a sign, and just take a more manageable deal instead of initiating a year-plus contract battle with the Chiefs, playing under a one-year deal.

As for the non-tackle options with our 1st round pick, which I simply don't regard as a large possibility at this point: if the Chiefs stay at #1 overall, I don't think you can take either passrusher and feel good about yourself. I think both passrushers make a ton of sense at #4 (Eagles) or #5 (Browns), but again this assumes that the Chiefs have settled in with Albert for the long haul and aren't interested in Joeckel/Fisher. So I think the 1.1 becomes Geno Smith if, and only if, the Chiefs ink Albert long-term, or at least believe they will be able to do so. Any other variation: an Albert trade, or a trade down, means that Geno will not be the pick.

The Albert omens aren't good at this point. And based on some interesting observations from BossChief, I think the flurry of recent QB activity in the wake of KC hosting Geno this week means that it's come out that the Chiefs have secured a trade down partner as well. Which means I think the Chiefs are going to be trading down to #4 or #5. If that happens, if they plan on keeping Albert, I fully expect Dion Jordan or Ezekiel Ansah as heir apparents to/insurance for Tamba Hali in 2014, as I expect there will be a Dumervil-esque restructuring ordeal. If Albert's gone, well hey, they may still get Joeckel at that spot, or they'll settle for Fisher.

My guess: the Chiefs will find a trade partner for Albert, and get a 2nd rounder back in this year's draft for him, while landing another 2nd rounder in trading down from 1.1 to 1.4 or 1.5 with a team (Eagles or Browns?) who wants Geno. Like I said earlier, the good news is that we'll find a cheap, capable replacement for Albert and still have two seconds to play with.

That means two quality players with star potential, or the underrated possibility at this point that the Chiefs package those 2nd rounders and trade back into the 1st, should somebody exciting like OLB Bjoern Werner, OLB Damontre Moore, WR Justin Hunter, WR Cordarrelle Patterson, TE Tyler Eifert, or S Matt Elam falls a bit more than expected...

Like I said, just some ramblings this morning.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:57 AM   #31
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I don't think it is totally his play but more so getting someone cheaper, younger and possibly in their opinion will be better than Albert.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:58 AM   #32
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What exactly is it about Albert's style of play that Reid doesn't like?
Where does it say this?

I was under the impression that Reid was a fan.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:59 AM   #33
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What exactly is it about Albert's style of play that Reid doesn't like?
Albert can't hold blocks and it's because he lacks those type techniques.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:07 AM   #34
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What? You said that Joeckel was a "very polished prospect." Everyone of those names that I gave were also "very polished prospects." The tackle is not a safe position, neither is the QB. However, the QB is much more important than a tackle. The best thing this team can do for its long-term success is taking a chance on a QB with the pick and grooming him for the future, while keeping the very good LT that it already has.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:08 AM   #35
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Albert can't hold blocks and it's because he lacks those type techniques.
Yes, because QBs need at least seven to ten seconds in the pocket.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:10 AM   #36
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Albert can't hold blocks and it's because he lacks those type techniques.
Have you noticed the shitfest he's been protecting in KC?
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:25 AM   #37
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What? You said that Joeckel was a "very polished prospect." Everyone of those names that I gave were also "very polished prospects." The tackle is not a safe position, neither is the QB. However, the QB is much more important than a tackle. The best thing this team can do for its long-term success is taking a chance on a QB with the pick and grooming him for the future, while keeping the very good LT that it already has.
The tackle is a safer prospect though so it's not as clear cut as you seem to be trying to make it. And in addition to that, you have to factor in the evaluation of the actual individuals you're choosing between.

The reason the tackle is safer, is because when an LT busts, you can usually turn him into a serviceable player either at RT or as a G. When a QB busts, he sits on the bench or gets drummed out of the league altogether.

Beyond that, it's possible that the Chiefs see Geno as a high bust probability and Joeckle as a low bust probability based on their individual characteristics.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:29 AM   #38
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Point out the "wrong" part.

Did he "take" them to the SB or did he ALMOST "take" them to the SB.

If the answer is "ALMOST" then you are wrong and should stop talking.
I already have. In order to get in position to be in the Super Bowl, he had to take his team to the NFCCG. It's common sense.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:31 AM   #39
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I already have.
I guess in your mind you have.

In reality... you haven't proven anyone wrong but yourself.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:32 AM   #40
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I guess in your mind you have.

In reality... you haven't proven anyone wrong but yourself.
Ok, so it really comes down to you being an idiot. You could have saved us both some time by just admitting that.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:33 AM   #41
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Ok, so it really comes down to you being an idiot. You could have saved us both some time by just admitting that.
Says the person saying Alex Smith lead the 49ers somewhere

Carry on. Moron.
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Says the person saying Alex Smith lead the 49ers somewhere

Carry on. Moron.
Alex Smith got his team to the NFCCG and was a special teams collapse away from getting his team into the SB. As I said before, you can split the hairs any way you want to, but that's what happened.
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Alex Smith got his team to the NFCCG and was a special teams collapse away from getting his team into the SB. As I said before, you can split the hairs any way you want to, but that's what happened.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:54 AM   #44
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Alex was a big part of their success and to say otherwise is just hate!

I think it is quite clear Albert is getting traded. If their was a long term deal in the works, he would know it by now. The new regime has put very little to no effort in re-signing him long term. They moved swiftly with Bowe/Colquitt and all of their other moves have been swift with a plan.

This staling by the Chiefs brass is just leverage for trade possibilities in the draft and trying to milk more in a trade with Albert. I know from a personal perspective it sucks for Albert but this is a business move first and foremost... he is just a pawn.
Yep. Sad but true.

We are about to trade away the same guy we traded UP to get and has proven himself and wants to be here.

in exchange we will get a failed Alex Smith, and use 1.1 to draft an overrated Joekel.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:01 AM   #45
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Trading one of the best LTs in the NFL for just any starting QB is a trade I likely pass on every day of the week, considering you aren't going to be getting offers from the Patriots for Brady or Packers for Rodgers.
Albert, as much as I like him, is not one of the best LTs in the NFL. You're just being delusional. He is a good LT, make no mistake, but to say he is one of the best is talking with the homer glasses on.
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