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Obama Signs Monsanto Protection Act Into Law After Promising GMO Labeling in 2007

Obama Signs Monsanto Protection Act Into Law After Promising GMO Labeling in 2007

President Obama has signed into law the notorious Monsanto Protection Act legislation hidden inside of the Continuing Resolution spending bill, which protects Monsanto and its genetically modified creations from federal courts.

by Anthony Gucciardi
NaturalSociety.com
March 28, 2013

Passing up the chance to veto the bill in favor of stopping Monsanto’s increasing monopoly on the food supply, Obama pushed the bill through into a law in a move that reminds us of his failed 2007 promise to ‘immediately’ label GMOs upon his election.

Contained in the rider (Farmer Assurance Provision, Sec. 735) of HR 933, Monsanto is now even protected (at least under this law) from the United States government.

As I pointed out in a previous article, the Monsanto Protection Act’s success actually proves how corporations have more power than even the United States federal government. Monsanto’s lobbyists managed to slip the rider into the major bill, which — despite the rider — has virtually nothing to do with the topic.

This is a typical and routinely practiced move by lobbyists to insert an incognito line of legislation into a bill generally viewed as favorable overall. One that has proven to be effective for Monsanto.


2007 Promise to Label GMOs

The result is now major outcry against Obama for signing the bill into law and protecting the biotech juggernaut Monsanto. Many fail to remember, however, that Obama first decided to allow Monsanto to continue pulverizing the food supply and the health of the nation back in 2008 when he went back on his promise to ‘immediately’ label GMOs. It was in 2007, during a campaign speech, that Obama first stated his support of non-GMO and GMO labeling activists, in which he promised to swiftly label GMOs.


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For a brief period before the bill was passed by the Senate and now signed into law by Obama, both myself and many others in the alternative news community crusaded tirelessly to alert politicians and activists in order to stop the Protection Act from going through. Unfortunately, time was not on our side. The hasty vote by the Senate and the news blackout from the mainstream media were enough to break through the warnings of concerned activists (and people who just want real food). Now, however, renewed interest in the GMO labeling campaign and the fight against Monsanto brews.

With such a blatant and cocky act against the United States and its people, Monsanto has set itself up to fail. Let’s remind Obama of his promise to label GMOs he made many years ago.

http://intellihub.com/2013/03/28/oba...ing-in-2007-2/
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:57 PM   #46
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"one of the modifications made to GM corn is to allow it to grow in closer proximity to other plants."

WTF does this mean? Corn can grow right next to any other plant modified or not. A soybean and corn does not like live in opposition to one another, nor milo, wheat or for that matter a weed or anything else. What plant was corn incapable of living in proximity to that now can?
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"one of the modifications made to GM corn is to allow it to grow in closer proximity to other plants."

WTF does this mean? Corn can grow right next to any other plant modified or not. A soybean and corn does not like live in opposition to one another, nor milo, wheat or for that matter a weed or anything else. What plant was corn incapable of living in proximity to that now can?
Individual corn plants are able to grow in closer physical proximity to other corn plants due to modifications.

Where you could previously fit three, now you can fit four--that kind of thing.
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One of the unfortunate side effects for the nutrition of corn (although beneficial for using it as a sugar substitute) is the change in the corn kernel, which was formerly high in protein (b/c of the germ, I believe) and is now almost entirely starch.

Laughably absurd. There are high protein corns. There are high Starch corns. There is white corn. Sweet corn. The idea that corn as a class is now "almost entirely starch is pure simple unmitigated bullshit.

Do you, not you in particular, know what GMO modifications have been? Roundup ready had zero effect on the nutritional values of the various hybrids. Nor does the insect resistance modifications.

High starch, high amino acid type were developed 40 years ago through selective breeding and hybridization and GMO had nothing to do with it.
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You're purposefully conflating corn as an isolated food (which is a sliver of a sliver of corn production) with corn as an industrial product.

All corn that is planted on an industrial scale to be used in foodstuffs is high starch, low protein. It fattens up livestock sooner to bring them to slaughter earlier. It's also incredibly unhealthy, and it makes its way into our biomass when we eat animals that ate it.

Roundup resistance in weed strains is demonstrated here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/bu...anted=all&_r=0

Notice that I said pesticide, not insecticide.

For further clarification, I never said that roundup resistance would alter the nutritional value, but modifying corn to a starch-laden foodstuff has absolutely done so.
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Individual corn plants are able to grow in closer physical proximity to other corn plants due to modifications.

Where you could previously fit three, now you can fit four--that kind of thing.
Higher plant populations? Thats rich. In the 60s we planted corn at 12000 plants per acre in 40 inch rows. Later we grew 14000 pap then we moved to 36 inch rows. 30 inch rows and new hybrids allowed 18000 ppa. Fertility had to change with population. This has continued to today where we grow 24 inch rows or in some places 20 inch rows. Why? Hybrids, better technology. We no longer cultivate the row middles for weed control. No GMO change led to higher plant population. Varieties have been developed with different growth characteristics. One ear vs two, two smaller ears vs one bigger. Greater stalk strength. Better root systems...genetics and breeding, not GMO.
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You're purposefully conflating corn as an isolated food (which is a sliver of a sliver of corn production) with corn as an industrial product.

All corn that is planted on an industrial scale to be used in foodstuffs is high starch, low protein. It fattens up livestock sooner to bring them to slaughter earlier. It's also incredibly unhealthy, and it makes its way into our biomass when we eat it.

Roundup resistance in weed strains is demonstrated here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/bu...anted=all&_r=0

Notice that I said pesticide, not insecticide.
Your understanding of feed, feed rations and animal nutrition is as lacking as your knowledge of agronomy.

Herbicides and insecticides are both pesticides...fyi
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Roundup resistance in weeds is real. But resistance to herbicides among weed species is not limited to roundup.
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Your understanding of feed, feed rations and animal nutrition is as lacking as your knowledge of agronomy.

Herbicides and insecticides are both pesticides...fyi
True, but I was saying pesticide and talking about Roundup-ready corn, not BT corn.

What exactly is false about animal nutrition?

Corn-fed beef has six times the amount of saturated fat and lower essential fatty acids and nutrients than grass fed beef. The animals are given antibiotics to counter the effects of metabolic acidosis b/c the stomachs of cows aren't evolutionarily designed to handle corn.

It also tastes better, but it's not better for you.

Again, we're not talking about a person's two acre sweet corn plot and the alfalfa, clover, and hay they feed their cattle along with the charge.
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Roundup resistance in weeds is real. But resistance to herbicides among weed species is not limited to roundup.
Never said it was. But when you modify a cultivar with resistance to a chemical evolution will find away around it.

Do you think it's similarly intelligent to impregnate every shopping cart handle with amoxicillin?
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Again, since nuance is nonexistent on this forum, I"d like to state again that I don't think that GM corn or crops in general are a pox upon us, but there are consequences from using them, and in the case of corn, using it as a foodstuff on such a massive scale.
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True, but I was saying pesticide and talking about Roundup-ready corn, not BT corn.

What exactly is false about animal nutrition?

Corn-fed beef has six times the amount of saturated fat and lower essential fatty acids and nutrients than grass fed beef. The animals are given antibiotics to counter the effects of metabolic acidosis b/c the stomachs of cows aren't evolutionarily designed to handle corn.

It also tastes better, but it's not better for you.

Again, we're not talking about a person's two acre sweet corn plot and the alfalfa, clover, and hay they feed their cattle along with the charge.
Antibiotics for metabolic acidosis?

First, its mostly a dairy cow issue, not beef cattle. Second its related to an imbalance of feedstuffs treated almost in all cases by a change in grain vs forage in the feed ration. And third, no antibiotic could, would, will or can deal with a feed ration change in rumen pH in a cow. Antibiotics are an anti bacterial.

The nutritional values of a steak from grain fed vs grass fed is entirely related to the amount of fat in the meat. We have bred cattle and hogs over centuries to change the quality of the end product. Pork has lost a great deal of its fatty characteristics through breeding. Cattle are still grass fed for the majority of that animals life before slaughter. Grains are used only as a supplement on pasture usually in winter and then its a small % of the feed. Only when the cattle move into a feed yard does the grain become higher. And even then, cattle are fed a great deal of hay. They are fed a balanced ration that leads to weight gain. If they were fed all grain, they will not gain and intact will scour and could lose weight.

Grain finished beef has more fat. Thats the idea. Fat tastes good. People like tender meat with fat. If people demanded tougher meat with less fat then producers would produce it. Its not a function of GMO Its consumer demand. People wont buy a USDA Standard. Nor will you find anyone praising USDA Select. Both will have the qualities you give to grass fed. But you would chew them a week to swallow them and the taste would be nasty.
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Antibiotics for metabolic acidosis?

First, its mostly a dairy cow issue, not beef cattle. Second its related to an imbalance of feedstuffs treated almost in all cases by a change in grain vs forage in the feed ration. And third, no antibiotic could, would, will or can deal with a feed ration change in rumen pH in a cow. Antibiotics are an anti bacterial.

The nutritional values of a steak from grain fed vs grass fed is entirely related to the amount of fat in the meat. We have bred cattle and hogs over centuries to change the quality of the end product. Pork has lost a great deal of its fatty characteristics through breeding. Cattle are still grass fed for the majority of that animals life before slaughter. Grains are used only as a supplement on pasture usually in winter and then its a small % of the feed. Only when the cattle move into a feed yard does the grain become higher. And even then, cattle are fed a great deal of hay. They are fed a balanced ration that leads to weight gain. If they were fed all grain, they will not gain and intact will scour and could lose weight.

Grain finished beef has more fat. Thats the idea. Fat tastes good. People like tender meat with fat. If people demanded tougher meat with less fat then producers would produce it. Its not a function of GMO Its consumer demand. People wont buy a USDA Standard. Nor will you find anyone praising USDA Select. Both will have the qualities you give to grass fed. But you would chew them a week to swallow them and the taste would be nasty.
I specifically mentioned that corn-fed beef tastes better due to the fat content. The trade-off is health.

As far as acidosis in cattle is concerned:

http://ag.udel.edu/anfs/faculty/kung...iry_cattle.htm

http://www.iowabeefcenter.org/Beef%2...k/Acidosis.pdf

A really interesting article, from a different perspective is called "Power Steer". The author follows a steer numbered 534 in Kansas.

http://michaelpollan.com/articles-archive/power-steer/
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Oh, and antibiotics for acidosis is covered here:

http://www.ncbi..nih.gov/pubmed/7319937

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Here's an excerpt from "Power Steer"

Compared with ground-up cow bones, corn seems positively wholesome. Yet it wreaks considerable havoc on bovine digestion. During my day at Poky, I spent an hour or two driving around the yard with Dr. Mel Metzen, the staff veterinarian. Metzen, a 1997 graduate of Kansas State’s vet school, oversees a team of eight cowboys who spend their days riding the yard, spotting sick cows and bringing them in for treatment. A great many of their health problems can be traced to their diet. “They’re made to eat forage,” Metzen said, “and we’re making them eat grain.”

Perhaps the most serious thing that can go wrong with a ruminant on corn is feedlot bloat. The rumen is always producing copious amounts of gas, which is normally expelled by belching during rumination. But when the diet contains too much starch and too little roughage, rumination all but stops, and a layer of foamy slime that can trap gas forms in the rumen. The rumen inflates like a balloon, pressing against the animal’s lungs. Unless action is promptly taken to relieve the pressure (usually by forcing a hose down the animal’s esophagus), the cow suffocates.

A corn diet can also give a cow acidosis. Unlike that in our own highly acidic stomachs, the normal pH of a rumen is neutral. Corn makes it unnaturally acidic, however, causing a kind of bovine heartburn, which in some cases can kill the animal but usually just makes it sick. Acidotic animals go off their feed, pant and salivate excessively, paw at their bellies and eat dirt. The condition can lead to diarrhea, ulcers, bloat, liver disease and a general weakening of the immune system that leaves the animal vulnerable to everything from pneumonia to feedlot polio.
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No cattleman in their right mind would treat it with monensin. Thats Tylan by trade name. You have to inject it or feed it as a feed additive. You found an abstract of a study done to determine if they could work, not is it used. The acidosis can be fixed in under two days by increasing hay in the ration and reducing grain...grain componant may be milo, corn, or wheat...not isolated to corn. The change in ration is actually a cheaper feed vs treating with a drug that will add cost and you still have to change the ration...the ration causes the problem. Again, its a dairy issue not a beef issue. And in lactating cows you want to have few if any antibiotics introduced into the cow.

The trial you link was an attempt to prevent acidosis. Good stewardship practices prevent it, we dont feed drugs in anticipation of what amounts to an acid stomach in cattle.
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