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Old 03-27-2013, 08:11 PM  
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Should the US deport law-abiding families?

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Deportation of German homeschool family affects US homeschool freedom





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DALLAS, February 12, 2013 — In 1938, the practice of homeschooling was outlawed in Germany by Adolf Hitler and the infamous Third Reich. It was a rough period in German history, as thousands of young people were being pried from their parents’ direction and authority and drafted into the Hitler Youth program, where they were supposed to be trained as Aryan supermen (and women). In a few short years, vast numbers of these youth would be bleeding out on the battlefields of Europe, on the wrong side of the war for the soul of the world.

Sadly for freedom and for many families, Germany has never lifted this archaic and totalitarian ban on homeschooling. On the contrary, the German government seems to have stepped up its opposition to homeschooling over the past decade, forcing several families to flee, and others to enroll their children in state-approved schools against their will. The German Supreme Court has stated that the purpose of the homeschooling ban is to, “counteract the development of religious and philosophically motivated parallel societies.” It sounds like they aren’t really big on religious or philosophical diversity over there.

Some notable victims of this small-minded and grasping totalitarianism are Uwe and Hannelore Romeike and their five children. Uwe and his wife are music teachers and evangelical Christians who for years have been unsuccessfully seeking the right to homeschool their children. The Romeikes withdrew their children from German public schools in 2006, after becoming concerned that the educational material employed by the school was undermining the tenets of their Christian faith, and that the school was not providing their children with an ideal learning environment. “I don’t expect the school to teach about the Bible,” Mr. Romeike said, but “part of education should be character-building.”

After accruing the equivalent of around $10,000 in fines, and facing police visits to their home and the forcible removal of their children from the home, the Romeikes fled Germany in 2008 to seek asylum in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Their case was taken up by the Homeschool Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), which helped the Romeikes in 2010 to become the first family ever granted asylum in the US for the protection of their homeschooling rights.

The HSLDA explains, “The U.S. law of asylum allows a refugee to stay in the United States permanently if he can show that he is being persecuted for one of several specific reasons. Among these are persecution for religious reasons and persecution of a ‘particular social group.’ ”

On January 26, 2010, Memphis federal immigration judge Lawrence Burman granted the Romeikes political asylum, ruling they had a reasonable fear of persecution for their beliefs if they returned to their homeland. Judge Burman also denounced the German policy heatedly. In a statement, he called it, “utterly repellent to everything we believe as Americans.”

HSLDA’s Mike Donnelley called the ruling, “an extraordinary recognition of the fundamental importance of the right of parents to raise their children according to the dictates of individual conscience.”





....The Romeikes were able to continue quietly homeschooling their children in a small Tennessee town. For a time.

Sadly, their period of respite was not to last. The Romeikes’ case is now before the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, with the US government seeking to revoke their asylum and force them to return to Germany. And the details of Attorney-General Holder’s arguments in the brief for Romeike v. Holder are sinister, to say the least.

According to Holder, parents have no fundamental right to home-educate their children.

HSLDA founder Mike Farris warns,

“[Holder’s office] argued that there was no violation of anyone’s protected rights in a law that entirely bans homeschooling. There would only be a problem if Germany banned homeschooling for some but permitted it for others. "



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edit: poll should say, "law abiding families" and not "citizens"

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Old 03-28-2013, 05:27 AM   #31
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:31 AM   #32
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:45 AM   #33
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They are not law-abiding if they are undocumented or entered the country illegally. Just saying.
Would you say that about other persecuted people who escaped, say like Cuba, and sought asylum in the US?
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It means that Holder, by upholding such an incredibly intolerant, state mandated, prescribed mind german education law that takes all free will out of a parents decision on how their child is raised, letting the state decide whats best for you and your families mind... is DISTINCTLY UN-AMERICAN.

If that law isnt persecution then nothing is, **** holder, thats what it means.

So....if non-Americans (Germans, in this case) act in unAmerican ways to their unAmerican citizens, it's our duty to give them asylum?

Seriously?

Not being able to home school is PERSECUTION by their government such that we have a moral duty to give them shelter in our country?

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Therein lies the rub: they were already granted asylum by a Memphis judge 3 years ago. But Holder wants to pursue this case because.....why exactly? What's his reason?


Family of 7 law abiding, crime free citizens deported after migrating via the legal process. As for the 10 million lawbreakers with no regard for our laws? They're future Democrats - they must stay!!!

The Obama Administration deported nearly 400,000 people in 2011, an all-time record.




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So....if non-Americans (Germans, in this case) act in unAmerican ways to their unAmerican citizens, it's our duty to give them asylum?

Seriously?

Not being able to home school is PERSECUTION by their government such that we have a moral duty to give them shelter in our country?

Seriously?
Its the stupidest thing ever. I think the RWNJs are trolling us here, no one is this stupid on purpose.

If it were Mexicans they would be falling all over themselves to get them out of the country. I'm for deporting anyone caught being in this country on false premises and this includes this family.
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Its the stupidest thing ever. I think the RWNJs are trolling us here, no one is this stupid on purpose.

Maybe they really see the ability to home school as a fundamental human right -- the ability to avoid being forced into conformity with the government -- or something? Or perhaps they see this as a form of religious persecution, so they're all up in arms about it. My troll-meter isn't being tripped on this, at any rate.
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Its the stupidest thing ever. I think the RWNJs are trolling us here, no one is this stupid on purpose.

If it were Mexicans they would be falling all over themselves to get them out of the country. I'm for deporting anyone caught being in this country on false premises and this includes this family.
So you've got to be pretty incensed over Obama administration immigration policies.
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If it were Mexicans they would be falling all over themselves to get them out of the country. I'm for deporting anyone caught being in this country on false premises and this includes this family.
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Therein lies the rub: they were already granted asylum by a Memphis judge 3 years ago. But Holder wants to pursue this case because.....why exactly? What's his reason?


Family of 7 law abiding, crime free citizens deported after migrating via the legal process. As for the 10 million lawbreakers with no regard for our laws? They're future Democrats - they must stay!!!
The family applied for asylum, the agency said no, the family appealed to Immigration judge who ruled in family's favor, the agency appealed to Immigration Appeals, family lost, family appeals to 6th circuit.

Gov't will always appeal cases if the first Immigration judge overrules the agency decision.

"Holder" is not pursuing the case. His side, the gov't made the first decision and won the last decision. The family is the one pursuing the case.

There are countries in Europe that this family could have moved to. It is essentially open borders for citizens of EU countries. Just because some home schooling lobbyists sponsored them here does not mean that we change asylum laws.

They are not getting any special mistreatment. You are just falling for a media campaign that tries to cast a request for special treatment as some kind of horrible mistreatment.

Answer this question, If the EU provides open borders, why don't they just move to an EU country that allows homeschooling?
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According to this it's legal in parts of the EU but over regulated. Other parts besides Germany, like socialist Sweden it's illegal. England also more socialist is trying to make it hard to do. Only Germany persecutes and prosecutes homeschoolers. EU is run by unelected bureaucrats. The place can't get more tyrannical.


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According to this it's legal in parts of the EU but over regulated. Other parts besides Germany, like socialist Sweden it's illegal. England also more socialist is trying to make it hard to do. Only Germany persecutes and prosecutes homeschoolers. EU is run by unelected bureaucrats. The place can't get more tyrannical.


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Considering that the family is well-educated, maybe they can read your post and link, and check this link and then figure out a solution if they lose at the 6th circuit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

Seems to me they have a lot of options. I think we should have a general rule not to grant asylum to citizens from countries if the policy or conditions they complain of in their home country are not present in neighboring countries with open borders for immigration and residence purposes and comparable standards of living.
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