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Old 03-27-2013, 08:11 PM  
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Should the US deport law-abiding families?

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Deportation of German homeschool family affects US homeschool freedom





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DALLAS, February 12, 2013 — In 1938, the practice of homeschooling was outlawed in Germany by Adolf Hitler and the infamous Third Reich. It was a rough period in German history, as thousands of young people were being pried from their parents’ direction and authority and drafted into the Hitler Youth program, where they were supposed to be trained as Aryan supermen (and women). In a few short years, vast numbers of these youth would be bleeding out on the battlefields of Europe, on the wrong side of the war for the soul of the world.

Sadly for freedom and for many families, Germany has never lifted this archaic and totalitarian ban on homeschooling. On the contrary, the German government seems to have stepped up its opposition to homeschooling over the past decade, forcing several families to flee, and others to enroll their children in state-approved schools against their will. The German Supreme Court has stated that the purpose of the homeschooling ban is to, “counteract the development of religious and philosophically motivated parallel societies.” It sounds like they aren’t really big on religious or philosophical diversity over there.

Some notable victims of this small-minded and grasping totalitarianism are Uwe and Hannelore Romeike and their five children. Uwe and his wife are music teachers and evangelical Christians who for years have been unsuccessfully seeking the right to homeschool their children. The Romeikes withdrew their children from German public schools in 2006, after becoming concerned that the educational material employed by the school was undermining the tenets of their Christian faith, and that the school was not providing their children with an ideal learning environment. “I don’t expect the school to teach about the Bible,” Mr. Romeike said, but “part of education should be character-building.”

After accruing the equivalent of around $10,000 in fines, and facing police visits to their home and the forcible removal of their children from the home, the Romeikes fled Germany in 2008 to seek asylum in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Their case was taken up by the Homeschool Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), which helped the Romeikes in 2010 to become the first family ever granted asylum in the US for the protection of their homeschooling rights.

The HSLDA explains, “The U.S. law of asylum allows a refugee to stay in the United States permanently if he can show that he is being persecuted for one of several specific reasons. Among these are persecution for religious reasons and persecution of a ‘particular social group.’ ”

On January 26, 2010, Memphis federal immigration judge Lawrence Burman granted the Romeikes political asylum, ruling they had a reasonable fear of persecution for their beliefs if they returned to their homeland. Judge Burman also denounced the German policy heatedly. In a statement, he called it, “utterly repellent to everything we believe as Americans.”

HSLDA’s Mike Donnelley called the ruling, “an extraordinary recognition of the fundamental importance of the right of parents to raise their children according to the dictates of individual conscience.”





....The Romeikes were able to continue quietly homeschooling their children in a small Tennessee town. For a time.

Sadly, their period of respite was not to last. The Romeikes’ case is now before the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, with the US government seeking to revoke their asylum and force them to return to Germany. And the details of Attorney-General Holder’s arguments in the brief for Romeike v. Holder are sinister, to say the least.

According to Holder, parents have no fundamental right to home-educate their children.

HSLDA founder Mike Farris warns,

“[Holder’s office] argued that there was no violation of anyone’s protected rights in a law that entirely bans homeschooling. There would only be a problem if Germany banned homeschooling for some but permitted it for others. "



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edit: poll should say, "law abiding families" and not "citizens"

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Old 03-27-2013, 09:06 PM   #16
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This is just stupid, next someone from France will want asylum in the US because they don't sell 1/4 lbers there.

Or a Mexican family will want asylum because they is no Pace Picante Sauce there. They are taking advantage of the law and possibly denying a family in real need of getting political asylum.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:20 PM   #17
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What does this mean:

Holder officially confirmed himself as having no american with values with this decision.
It means that Holder, by upholding such an incredibly intolerant, state mandated, prescribed mind german education law that takes all free will out of a parents decision on how their child is raised, letting the state decide whats best for you and your families mind... is DISTINCTLY UN-AMERICAN.

If that law isnt persecution then nothing is, **** holder, thats what it means.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:23 PM   #18
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It means that Holder, by upholding such an incredibly intolerant, state mandated, prescribed mind german education law that takes all free will out of a parents decision on how their child is raised, letting the state decide whats best for you and your families mind... is DISTINCTLY UN-AMERICAN.

If that law isnt persecution then nothing is, **** holder, thats what it means.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:25 PM   #19
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Strictly looking at it from a legal perspective, it appears awarding asylum was wrong. And I recognize the need to work with other countries on extradition issues so that they respect the US attempts at extradition.

That being said, I can't believe that these governments don't have better uses for their resources. This strikes me as a slightly more heinous crime that jaywalking. Surely our attorney general faces more important issues that would be a better use of tax dollars.

I guess my next question is; where is this family in the process of earning citizenship?
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:27 PM   #20
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Its religious persecution and I can't believe the USAG is fighting it. I can't think any less of him.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:34 PM   #21
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:45 PM   #22
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The libtards never fail to impress with the depths of their hypocrisy or ignorance. People entering this country illegally to sell drugs can stay, but religiously persecuted? Nah, they got to go!

Liberals are for our freedoms! ...Except to practice religion, own guns, right to life, choice of health care, choice of energy supplier / type, smoking, drink size, joining unions, light bulbs, plastic bags, so on and so on and so on....
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:49 PM   #23
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They are not law-abiding if they are undocumented or entered the country illegally. Just saying.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:55 PM   #24
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Strictly looking at it from a legal perspective, it appears awarding asylum was wrong. And I recognize the need to work with other countries on extradition issues so that they respect the US attempts at extradition.

That being said, I can't believe that these governments don't have better uses for their resources. This strikes me as a slightly more heinous crime that jaywalking. Surely our attorney general faces more important issues that would be a better use of tax dollars.

I guess my next question is; where is this family in the process of earning citizenship?
Homeschooling is also not allowed in most of Mexico and Central America. You allow homeschooling as a legit reason for granting asylum, you just opened the door for every Honduran, Guatemalan, and a huge part of the world to automatically qualify for relocating here simply because their home countries mandate public school. That ok with you?

Note that it is not being applied to a particular religion--it applies the same for the whole population.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:26 PM   #25
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They are not law-abiding if they are undocumented or entered the country illegally. Just saying.
Therein lies the rub: they were already granted asylum by a Memphis judge 3 years ago. But Holder wants to pursue this case because.....why exactly? What's his reason?


Family of 7 law abiding, crime free citizens deported after migrating via the legal process. As for the 10 million lawbreakers with no regard for our laws? They're future Democrats - they must stay!!!
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:29 PM   #26
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Its religious persecution and I can't believe the USAG is fighting it. I can't think any less of him.
Really blows the cover off the Liberals argument "this is a land of immigrants", doesn't it? They believe its a land of immigrants they like.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:39 PM   #27
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The libtards never fail to impress with the depths of their hypocrisy or ignorance. People entering this country illegally to sell drugs can stay, but religiously persecuted? Nah, they got to go!

Liberals are for our freedoms! ...Except to practice religion, own guns, right to life, choice of health care, choice of energy supplier / type, smoking, drink size, joining unions, light bulbs, plastic bags, so on and so on and so on....
I have no problem with your religion, don't impose it on me. I have no problem with your right to own a gun as long as you doing so doesn't affect someone else. I have no problem with you having a choice of an abortion or not, don't dictate to me what my choice is. I have no problem if you want to continue on oil, but expect that it will run out, it's ruining the atmosphere, and eventually the costs will be even higher--all things that are affecting me. I have no problem with you drinking all the soda pop in the world and smoking 10000000 cigarettes a day, but don't come to me to pay for your fat asses emphysema. I have no problems with the situation on light bulbs, but as I understand it it's using less natural resources therefore it is good for all of us. I have no problem with you using plastic bags as long as you understand the damage that they do to the environment, what the cost of producing them does to oil--all of which affects me.

In fact, the only thing of which you said I agree with is that unions are the pooh. Because they drive up costs and that affects me.

Now don't get me wrong, there are some advantages that I have in the system being a single parent full time college student, but I'm not the one pretending that I'm a helpless victim being all trampled on. I'm at least honest about the situation which is this: Both sides are more than willing to trample over the freedoms of anybody who gets in their way in order to pander to their base.

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Old 03-28-2013, 04:36 AM   #28
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They should have just snuck in had a kid and the problem would be solved with amnesty.
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Well, auf wiedersehen.

Germany doesn't allow homeschooling. For anyone. We should probably invade the country and make sure they do things the way we want.
no need, idiot -- holder just let the germans invade america.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:15 AM   #30
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Homeschooling is also not allowed in most of Mexico and Central America. You allow homeschooling as a legit reason for granting asylum, you just opened the door for every Honduran, Guatemalan, and a huge part of the world to automatically qualify for relocating here simply because their home countries mandate public school. That ok with you?

Note that it is not being applied to a particular religion--it applies the same for the whole population.
So, you think folks need some kind of legit impetus to enter america. that's because you are fascist.

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