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Old 03-27-2013, 02:42 PM  
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Creationist offers $10K to prove Bible wrong

Creationist offers $10K to prove Bible wrong
Betting that science supports Genesis and not Darwin.

By Rich_Maloof

A die-hard creationist is putting his money where his faith is.
Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo believes unequivocally that the Bible's book of Genesis is a literal account of our universe's origin. Standing firmly behind his convictions, which he believes can be scientifically demonstrated, Mastropaolo has issued a challenge: Anyone who can prove, using hard evidence, that science contradicts the literal reading of Genesis walks away $10,000 richer.

Be warned: You don't want to sign up for this challenge without your facts in order. Contestants must arrive ready to argue their position against Mastropaolo with their own $10k in hand — and be willing to lose the money if Mastropaolo's scientific evidence of creationism prevails. So it's not so much a reward situation as a high-stakes bet. Whether or not the Bible says gambling is a sin remains a debate for another time.

The Literal Genesis Trial Contest is detailed at the Creation Science Hall of Fame — "Honoring those who honored God's Word as literally written in Genesis" — where the challenge is addressed, in good competitive spirit, to theistic evolutionists, allegoricallists, and "all you 'Long Agers.'"

According to contest rules, a mini-trial will be held in a courthouse where the contestant and Mastropaolo are to each put $10,000 in escrow. A superior court justice will decide which party prevails and is awarded the $20,000. (The Creation Science Hall of Fame is hosting the challenge but says it is not a party to the judge or any other entity involved.)

If you plan on arriving with a high schooler's grasp of evolution and a copy of Darwin's "On the Origin of Species," well, may God be with you. Mastropaolo is a highly educated, highly accomplished scientist. He's a recognized expert in kinesiology (the scientific study of body movement, aka human kinetics) and a recipient of Vice Presidential Awards for his studies on life in space.
And he believes that evolution cannot be proved.

"[Evolutionists] are not stupid people," Mastropaolo told The Guardian. "They are bright, but they are bright enough to know there is no scientific evidence they can give in a mini-trial."

Mastropaolo's bio indicates he has already scientifically proved that Adam and Eve were genetically perfect, that "ape-men are frauds" and that the Earth is 6,800 years old, give or take eight and a half centuries.

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Old 03-28-2013, 09:31 AM   #46
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No, that is not correct. The Bible absolutely says that Adam was the first man, .
Please cite. I'd love to see your evidence. In Genesis 1:26-28 it reads that he created THEM, as in plural, people:

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”



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created from dirt, and Eve from him
Genesis 1 said that God introduced people (THEM) to the Earth. Genesis 2 follows. It then introduces Adam, saying that God formed a man (a particular man? a later man? a different man?) and placed him in Eden.


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There was nothing before that.
As I said, there certainly was: the entirety of Genesis 1.

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And even if it were, the Bible clearly says that only the children of Adam and Eve would be saved and enter heaven.
Does it? Cite please. If it does, I'd imagine it's a reference to being part of Jesus' lineage. I.e., saved by him.

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You're welcome to believe what you choose, but that is not how it's depicted in any Bible versions,
Sure it is.


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and goes against many teachings.
Well, I can't argue that either way since there are tons of different teachings on what the Bible says and doesn't say. That's a really dumb argument you're advancing.


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If you believe in the literal account of the Bible, you have to assume that Cain married his sister

Or you can believe the literal account of the Bible that Cain bolted off to another land, where people (that he feared) already existed, and likely found his wife among them and later built his own city. That seems to be what any sane person would deduce from reading the story.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:33 AM   #47
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Yeah, I can't think of any evidence of evolution at all.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:44 AM   #48
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there is no god.
That is an assertion so you have evidence to back that up?

Don't come back with a question to my question.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:47 AM   #49
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Yeah, I can't think of any evidence of evolution at all.
what? you don't believe that a donkey + dog + bird + fish + monkey = you?
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:01 AM   #50
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what? you don't believe that a donkey + dog + bird + fish + monkey = you?
(Its called sarcasm) I can google the definition for you if you like.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:02 AM   #51
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(Its called sarcasm) I can google the definition for you if you like.
thanks I looked it up myself
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:04 AM   #52
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I read or watched something once that said if the creationists theory were true, the moon (or sun) would be so close it would occupy the entire sky currently.

something to that effect.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:06 AM   #53
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Please cite. I'd love to see your evidence. In Genesis 1:26-28 it reads that he created THEM, as in plural, people:

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”





Genesis 1 said that God introduced people (THEM) to the Earth. Genesis 2 follows. It then introduces Adam, saying that God formed a man (a particular man? a later man? a different man?) and placed him in Eden.




As I said, there certainly was: the entirety of Genesis 1.



Does it? Cite please. If it does, I'd imagine it's a reference to being part of Jesus' lineage. I.e., saved by him.



Sure it is.




Well, I can't argue that either way since there are tons of different teachings on what the Bible says and doesn't say. That's a really dumb argument you're advancing.





Or you can believe the literal account of the Bible that Cain bolted off to another land, where people (that he feared) already existed, and likely found his wife among them and later built his own city. That seems to be what any sane person would deduce from reading the story.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:08 AM   #54
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The first origin story is generally less believed than the second origin story. Just an FYI.

Plus christians don't believe the old testament anyway.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:55 AM   #55
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Please cite. I'd love to see your evidence. In Genesis 1:26-28 it reads that he created THEM, as in plural, people:

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”


Genesis 1 said that God introduced people (THEM) to the Earth. Genesis 2 follows. It then introduces Adam, saying that God formed a man (a particular man? a later man? a different man?) and placed him in Eden.

As I said, there certainly was: the entirety of Genesis 1.

Does it? Cite please. If it does, I'd imagine it's a reference to being part of Jesus' lineage. I.e., saved by him.


Sure it is.

Well, I can't argue that either way since there are tons of different teachings on what the Bible says and doesn't say. That's a really dumb argument you're advancing.


Or you can believe the literal account of the Bible that Cain bolted off to another land, where people (that he feared) already existed, and likely found his wife among them and later built his own city. That seems to be what any sane person would deduce from reading the story.
Dave Lane pointed out how the Bible says the beginning went down. God created Adam first, and made it very clear that he was first. The "Them" that is mentioned is Adam's offspring. There is no mention of anyone outside of Adam's lineage.

Genesis 2:5–8 When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, and a mist was going up from the land and was watering the whole face of the ground— then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed.

1 Corinthians 15:45: 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;[a] the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Genesis 2:18 18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for[a] him.”

1 Timothy 2:13 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve;

And Eve was the mother of all living people:

Genesis 3:20 20 The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Acts 17:26 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,

When Cain left, he went to Nod. Nod in Hebrew means "Wandering". And it says Cain "Knew" his wife. Instead of "Found" his wife. There are other scriptures where a man "Knowing" his wife meant sex.

(Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”

1 Samuel 1:19–20 They rose early in the morning and worshiped before the Lord; then they went back to their house at uRamah. And Elkanah knew Hannah his wife, and the Lord vremembered her. 20 And in due time Hannah conceived and bore a son, and she called his name Samuel, for she said, “I have asked for him from the Lord.”2)
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:57 AM   #56
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That is an assertion so you have evidence to back that up?

Don't come back with a question to my question.
ya. there is no god. I have looked. everyone has and nobody found god, they simply made shit up for their own gain.

there is no god.

and don't come back. ever. liar.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:16 AM   #57
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This is hilarious, as this thread, like the quoted Zimmerman article, doesn't even realize that your own written words are all the evidence needed to see an idiot wrote them ( educated are not - still very much an idiot ). Evolutionist are so amusing - you have no single present day living example of proof, ( don't even try the moth pigment in Europe or viruses -that's just childish retorts ), no more a 'rational' explanation for the start of the universe and life ( everything from crystals to aliens to spontaneous wasn't and then was - without 'god' of course - and complete with a bang! ), and yet you constantly criticize words from a book that has been proven to be the most accurate single collection of recorded history of its timespan. Truly, atheist are the most retarded degenerates of the world that love to advertise it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:17 AM   #58
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Genesis 2:18 18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for[a] him.”

1 Timothy 2:13 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve;

And Eve was the mother of all living people:
My church had a small variation on this story:

God: "Adam, I see you are lonely and so I shall make you a mate. She shall be called woman. She will be perfect; smart, compassionate, and caring."

Adam: "Lord that sounds fantastic! By the way, is this going to cost me anything Lord? "

God: "Yes Adam. I'm afraid it will require an arm and a leg."

Adam: "Dang! What can I get for a rib?"
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what? you don't believe that a donkey + dog + bird + fish + monkey = you?
wow. Relgion really does make people stupid and this thread is proof of that. It's intended, you're not supposed to think or be intelligent. I guess you are just being a good american.
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what? you don't believe that a donkey + dog + bird + fish + monkey = you?
Somebody needs to take a biology course. That's not what evolution says.
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