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View Poll Results: Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?
Yes, it is morally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, it is morally and legally wrong 32 50.79%
No, its not morally wrong 0 0%
No, its not morally or legally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, its legally wrong but morally right 0 0%
Yes, its morally wrong but still legal to discriminate 7 11.11%
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:51 PM  
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Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?

I've never had a publicly gay friend, family member or co-worker. I have no experience with anyone being discriminated against for being gay. I can't understand the concept of male wanting to have sex with another male.

But, I don't have to understand it. Whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business.

I believe that discriminating against someone only because of their sexual orientation is wrong and is/should be constitutionally protected.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:26 AM   #61
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I don't think Jesus told us to discriminate against someone because of sins. In fact, I think he got in trouble with some people because he would hang out with sinners, tax collectors and prostitutes. And I am not trying to point out hypocrisy. I am just saying, that regardless of who or what a person does, Jesus asked us to love them and love doesn't have room for discrimination.

Again, lets look at family. I disagree with a lot of them. I dislike a lot of them. But I won't purposely not invite them to family events. I won't go out of my way to exclude them from the family. I won't try to get them fired from a job for the sole reason that I disagree with them.

Now I may not talk with them, may not interact with them, I may find it hard to love them if we interact, but I won't exclude them for that reason. I just won't talk politics at the Family reunion.
Love has plenty of room for deciding which groups should be allowed to marry and which groups shouldn't.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:28 AM   #62
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Wow. I can’t imagine being that cold to my son.
Love > hate. For you at least. Sadly its not universal.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:29 AM   #63
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When libs start talking about "constitutional protections", I get highly suspicious. Quit forcing your beliefs onto everyone else.
Good rule of thumb.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:30 AM   #64
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Out of curiosity, how many of the gay people that you know have daddy issues?
I too have a family member who is gay. He was raised by his grandmother and never had a dad in his life. What I soon noticed is all his gay friends and boyfriends had different upbringings with one major common theme.

I am not saying having daddy issues, or being raised alone makes you gay or anything. There are plenty of people who have shitty fathers, or never had a father in their life and are straight. I was just wondering if that was something that was more common in your experience as well?
None that I know of.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:31 AM   #65
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Don't make me go biblical on your ass with the hate speech that is the bible. Others have seen it and it isn't pretty (and its about 3500 words for just the death aspects of the hate speech).

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I'd say the bible is against a General Discrimination as well. How can you discriminate if you love everyone?

One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
John 13:35 "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
John 15:12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
John 15:17 "These things I command you, that you love one another.
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None that I know of.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:33 AM   #67
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When libs start talking about "constitutional protections", I get highly suspicious. Quit forcing your beliefs onto everyone else.
Damn right!! Those god damned women wanting "constitutional protections" and the right to vote!!1! What the **** is that shit!!
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:45 AM   #68
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We shouldn't discriminate based on anything. The challenge is that everyone or nearly everyone discriminates and doesn't know it or doesn't consciously acknowledge it. We all have biases that are based on our life experience or our exposure to media messages or messages from people who influence us.

For that reason, I get wary about anti-discrimination laws. Let's protect minorities. Okay. Now let's protect women. Okay. Now let's protect handicapped people. Okay. Now let's protect religious minorities. Okay. Now let's protect gays. Okay. Now let's protect old people. Okay. Now let's protect fat people. Okay. Now let's protect bald people. Okay. Now let's protect people who are color-blind and can't dress snazzily. Okay.

You can make an argument for any of those groups, and it would be a valid argument. But where does it stop? Anybody in the population today who's not bright or not focused now says they have AD/HD. Do we protect them? It gets to the point where everybody in the population is "protected", and most of it is impossible to enforce anyway. If a bald guy doesn't get hired, is it because he's bald or something else?

I recognize that prejudice exists. I'm just wary of legal solutions. Maybe on a population basis you can do analysis, but on an individual basis it's almost impossible to prove.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:00 AM   #69
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I didn't want to define what was discrimination.
Then I can't vote. You needed to spell out whether you meant legal discrimination, something further than that which includes public denounciation that is legal but perhaps distasteful, or ALL discrimination.

Discrimination has to be defined, because almost all of us (I'd say probably all of us) discriminate regularly by age, gender, race, etc on very small usually trivial things, sometimes subconsiously. There's a difference between refusing to serve someone, and crossing the street to avoid someone without really even realizing you are doing it.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:12 AM   #70
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No, this one is not a purity based comment. It's actually the heart of the ideology. It's an ideology that purports to be morally neutral. It's the word "immoral" here to which I am referring. ( Not the fact that it also violates property rights another break with libertarianism) I mean I don't adhere to the moral neutrality notion myself, but I do read the most widely read Libertarian site daily to know what they support. What would be consistent, would be to say it's an unwise policy even if the govt should stay out of it. And, of course, libertarians say the market should be left to handle such things. You have a left-progressive strain in you, listo. Just sayin' as an observation not to say you're bad because of it.
That's kind of what I was alluding to with the "purity" remark. I claim Libertarian as my political party, but libertarianism isn't my way of life. It matches up pretty well but I absolutely do support several socialist and/or progressive concepts. If this country really was run on principles that meshed better with libertarian ideals I would probably lean in closer to the tree, so to speak. Or, if this country was truly founded on liberty for all of its inhabitants, then we would never be facing this situation in modern America. But here we are. We have a government that doesn't serve all of its people and never has. So while I am in the majority I see it as my obligation to consider the minority.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:33 PM   #73
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Damn right!! Those god damned women wanting "constitutional protections" and the right to vote!!1! What the **** is that shit!!
Show me where men have constitutional protections to kill babies.
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It's not gay if it's oral.
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I choose to interpret "discriminate" as I see fit.
That's fine for yourself personally, but I wasn't referring to that. Since you are using it now, it's not how the laws on it work.
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