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View Poll Results: Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?
Yes, it is morally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, it is morally and legally wrong 32 50.79%
No, its not morally wrong 0 0%
No, its not morally or legally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, its legally wrong but morally right 0 0%
Yes, its morally wrong but still legal to discriminate 7 11.11%
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:51 PM  
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Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?

I've never had a publicly gay friend, family member or co-worker. I have no experience with anyone being discriminated against for being gay. I can't understand the concept of male wanting to have sex with another male.

But, I don't have to understand it. Whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business.

I believe that discriminating against someone only because of their sexual orientation is wrong and is/should be constitutionally protected.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:30 PM   #31
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I choose to interpret "discriminate" as I see fit.
a flunk?

SHE called YOU a flunk?????

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Old 03-25-2013, 11:41 PM   #32
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As with everything, context matters.

Is it 'discriminating' to not allow a man to enter the Ms America competition? Is it discriminating to have separate bathrooms for men & women ( laugh all you want - some states are mixing the two or putting in 'transgender' bathrooms )?

I work in the software industry and have no problem with a homosexual in the workforce ( as long as he is not flaunting it; same goes for a heterosexual - I don't need to hear about what you do on the weekends ). However, in a football locker room? Oh yeah, I'd have a problem there.

Simple gauge... just take a situation, put your daughters in as the established people and instead of a homosexual, introduce a straight male into the role. If you are uncomfortable with the situation for your daughter, then its not cool when it comes straight / homosexual situation either.

Now if you're starting this from the angle of marriage, well that's simple - marriage is a religious union that the country choose to recognize for tax purposes as there was the expectation of children to come ( ie. a family ). Should homosexuals be allowed to 'married'? Never. Should homosexual couples be given equal status as viewed by the government for tax purposes... it could be argued, sure. But the homosexual community hates the idea of 'civil unions' - they want 'marriage'. Sorry ( not really ) - you don't get to infringed on people's faith. And no, its not discriminating against you - you don't have a right to force others to alter their beliefs, accept you in their club, or even like you.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:44 PM   #33
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a flunk?

SHE called YOU a flunk?????

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She means that she doesn't think my answer would have passed a libertarian "purity" test, for lack of a better term.


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Discrimination between individuals is natural. Discrimination by the government is legally and morally wrong.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:57 PM   #34
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if you think it's not wrong, and perfectly normal,can you watch two guys together without feeling uncomfortable? IMO, that's a better qualifer.

..the purpose of this thread (again)is to discriminate and castigate those who don't agree with the acceptance.

that said, we're already moving towards expectance.
I don't want to see a guy do anything sexually, either with another man or with a woman. Or, in your case, a horse. I also don't feel very comfortable with the idea of watching someone take a shit. Good thing for people who need to shit that my acceptance isn't necessary. Your comfort level in particular really has nothing to do with what is natural, unnatural, right, wrong, moral or amoral. As far as what is "natural" goes, the counterpart to homosexual behavior is clearly observable in the animal kingdom. You know what isn't? Celibacy.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:36 AM   #35
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I look at this issue like segregation basically. People can't understand that they were born like that, it has something to do with genetics and they are attracted to the same sex just like we are attracted to the opposite. They are just different and people can't understand different. Then they use this book, the bible, to talk about hell and them getting married offends them and they use this book of fiction to judge everybody like it ****ing matters.

Louis CK says it better than any of us can. spoiler since it has a naughty word.

Spoiler!
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:54 AM   #36
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Your comfort level in particular really has nothing to do with what is natural, unnatural, right, wrong, moral or amoral. As far as what is "natural" goes, the counterpart to homosexual behavior is clearly observable in the animal kingdom. You know what isn't? Celibacy.
that's an interesting point. what separates us from animals, really? we kill at will, produce offspring with any bitch in heat, try to dominate others, **** anything that moves. are these behaviors acceptable? i've been taught since childhood that they're not, by whom, i can't really recall. yet these urges still lurk.
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:56 AM   #37
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It really depends on what you mean by discriminate. I think, from a purely emotivist point of view, most of us discriminate all the time... For all people. It's actually helpful. But you have to treat all people with respect, and honor all people's rights as citizens. You can't refuse service to anybody, no matter how distasteful you may find their opinions, lifestyle, politics, or skin color.

to be clear, when i see a guy with a million pieces of metal in his face, I make some judgments. I just don't hold onto them all that tightly and allow for the fact that my judgments might be wrong. And I would certainly never refuse to serve a guy because I associated his desire to stick piercings everywhere with a personality trait.
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Old 03-26-2013, 04:39 AM   #38
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I would be totally against that scenario. Church's are private institutions. The constitution is clear. Church and State are separate.

Forcing churches to marry anyone will never happen.
Well, that's what I'm saying. You're now defining when it would and when it wouldn't be discrimination, or at least outlining areas where it would be acceptable.
You can say you'd be against that scenario; that's tolerating discrimination. That scenario is one where gays are discriminated against.
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:41 AM   #39
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I have gay friends and family members. They should be able to marry and enjoy the same rights as straight couples
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The Daily Show did a segment on Missouri Laws Against Discriminating because of Gun ownership and Against Discriminating against Homosexuality.

/you shouldn't have to guess which one is a protected class and which isn't.


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Old 03-26-2013, 06:25 AM   #41
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I'd say the bible is against a General Discrimination as well. How can you discriminate if you love everyone?

One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
John 13:35 "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
John 15:12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
John 15:17 "These things I command you, that you love one another.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:30 AM   #42
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I'd say the bible is against a General Discrimination as well. How can you discriminate if you love everyone?

One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
John 13:35 "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
John 15:12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
John 15:17 "These things I command you, that you love one another.
You can love someone without agreeing or supporting everything they do.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:34 AM   #43
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I have gay friends and family members. They should be able to marry and enjoy the same rights as straight couples
Out of curiosity, how many of the gay people that you know have daddy issues?
I too have a family member who is gay. He was raised by his grandmother and never had a dad in his life. What I soon noticed is all his gay friends and boyfriends had different upbringings with one major common theme.

I am not saying having daddy issues, or being raised alone makes you gay or anything. There are plenty of people who have shitty fathers, or never had a father in their life and are straight. I was just wondering if that was something that was more common in your experience as well?
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You can love someone without agreeing or supporting everything they do.
And that is not discrimination. I don't agree with a lot of my family members, but I wouldn't fire them because I don't agree with them

/treat others the way you want to be treated, would you discriminate against yourself?

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And that is not discrimination. I don't agree with a lot of my family members, but I wouldn't fire them because I don't agree with them

/treat others the way you want to be treated, would you discriminate against yourself?
That's not the same thing if you believe same-sex marriage is wrong or immoral. It would be like saying, "You shouldn't commit this sin or crime. If it was me that was considering it I would want you to talk me out of it."

The debate about whether you should believe same-sex marriage is a sin or immoral is another conversation. But what you're posting doesn't point out a hypocrisy if the person believe same sex marriage is immoral or wrong.
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