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DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition

Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
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March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.


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Old 03-26-2013, 08:31 PM   #121
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It would be nice to know where all this ammo is being stored. For a verity of reasons
Yes it would. Of course that would never be made public for national security reasons.
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But when you look at this with some persepective the questions being asked are legit. In Iraq and Afghanistan our militar expended roughyl 5-6 million rounds of ammo a year. Ok, so let's say the estimates for DHS are high and let's say they have only 1 billion rounds and not the reported 1.6 billion. That is still enough to wage war for 12+ years.

Now keep in mind this is "Homeland Security", not the military. The military is placed into combat where expending rounds of ammunition is a common occurence. DHS is not in a combat zone but as of late they have been arming themselves as if they are.

It raises all kinds of questions that I think have not been sufficiently answered.
I agree there are legitimate questions. But seeing as how this is the government we are talking about, I also accept we will probably never get all the answers. That doesn't necessarily equate to sinisterness(?) instead is just their established way of doing things they will never change. I just can't make the jump from "that's peculiar" to "they are coming for us to disarm us and take over to society."
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For the sake of discussion, what about it does not make sense?
Fish covered this pretty well. If we acknowledge that the government is made up of a bunch of money hungry people looking to line their pockets it is really hard to at the same time think they no longer desire their monetary power because without a functional society that is what they are giving up. Also, practically speaking, it would be much harder to enjoy the spoils of their money if society is no longer producing and developing the things they desire.
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That highlights a common misconception about the ammo purchases. This ammo order isn't for "Right now". It's a contract to supply ammo over a 5 year span. It's setup as an "As needed" contract over 5 years.

And the DHS has grown considerably over the last decade.



Some of it is motivated by the same reasons that civilians are trying desperately to buy ammo. There's high demand and low supply right now. When the DHS enters these "As needed" contracts, they ensure their supply for 5 years at the minimum, with a guarantee of X number of bullets at $Y, despite what the market does. It ensures availability with the contract, and lowers the cost by buying bulk. Contracts like these will be filled well before a manufacturer's bullets go to the general public.
This is a result of questions being asked and answered. Some of the questions I and others do have, actually have answers but unless they are actually sought out or accepted as viable, the perpetual questioning continues even though the question has already been answered.

I think the urgency question I and Scott posed makes sense, but the explanation also makes perfect sense. However, like with anything, things that cause us to question our narratives are often misconstrued, denied, or completely ignored.
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Fish covered this pretty well. If we acknowledge that the government is made up of a bunch of money hungry people looking to line their pockets it is really hard to at the same time think they no longer desire their monetary power because without a functional society that is what they are giving up. Also, practically speaking, it would be much harder to enjoy the spoils of their money if society is no longer producing and developing the things they desire.

So according to Saint Fish no dictatorial government has existed or will ever exist because it does not make economic sense.

He certainly has history on his side in that argument...
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Fish covered this pretty well. If we acknowledge that the government is made up of a bunch of money hungry people looking to line their pockets it is really hard to at the same time think they no longer desire their monetary power because without a functional society that is what they are giving up. Also, practically speaking, it would be much harder to enjoy the spoils of their money if society is no longer producing and developing the things they desire.
Or Obama enacts martial law & declares himself Queen for life
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This is why I took the time to reply to you with a detailed response. Yes extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence with this I agree. I have used this argument in religious debates several times. It should be noted that I made no extraordinary claims. I just noted simple facts and asked that simple evaluation should be made~
Yeah I know you acknowledged you weren't predicting an apocalypse. I think one can easily be a little weary or distrustful of the government, but as you demonstrate that doesn't have to mean a person believes every crazy idea that can be derived from said distrust.

The Chiefs got Alex Smith but I am surely not going off the deep end and believing the fans that are thinking this means we will get a Super Bowl win this season.
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Fish covered this pretty well. If we acknowledge that the government is made up of a bunch of money hungry people looking to line their pockets it is really hard to at the same time think they no longer desire their monetary power because without a functional society that is what they are giving up. Also, practically speaking, it would be much harder to enjoy the spoils of their money if society is no longer producing and developing the things they desire.
And as I responded to Fish, the idea that a government run country is not a profitable, while correct, has not been shared by many a tyrant. And in fact, is not currently shared by many oppressive governments around the world today.

Now stop for a moment and take a look at what has transpired in our nation in less than a hundred years. Government has its hands in more and more aspects of life, wether business or personal. The list of things that it does not regulate would soooo much easier to post here than the list of things it does. Look at how it is taking over the health care system currently. Does none of this strike you as the government doing exactly what you suggest is problematic for the nation?

While I agree that a government run society does not make for an economically friendly nation, I do disagree that those in charge will stop enjoying the finer things in life. Communism destroyed the Soviet Union. Did its leaders ever go with out anything they wanted? Did Castro? The examples go on. Truth is the matter is that the elite will continue to live in comfort and only look at those below them as a means to their comfort.
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So according to Saint Fish no dictatorial government has existed or will ever exist because it does not make economic sense.

He certainly has history on his side in that argument...
It is bewildering how so many simply choose to ignore history. As the old saying goes, if you don't learn from it you are doomed to repeat it.


I mean hell, it's not like this very nation was born out of oppression or anything....
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And as I responded to Fish, the idea that a government run country is not a profitable, while correct, has not been shared by many a tyrant. And in fact, is not currently shared by many oppressive governments around the world today.

Now stop for a moment and take a look at what has transpired in our nation in less than a hundred years. Government has its hands in more and more aspects of life, wether business or personal. The list of things that it does not regulate would soooo much easier to post here than the list of things it does. Look at how it is taking over the health care system currently. Does none of this strike you as the government doing exactly what you suggest is problematic for the nation?

While I agree that a government run society does not make for an economically friendly nation, I do disagree that those in charge will stop enjoying the finer things in life. Communism destroyed the Soviet Union. Did its leaders ever go with out anything they wanted? Did Castro? The examples go on. Truth is the matter is that the elite will continue to live in comfort and only look at those below them as a means to their comfort.
Of course plenty of things the government does are problematic. But why does the existence of Obamacare or (insert disagreeable policy here) mean they are intending to enslave the nation? How is there a connection? Where I see poor policy as a poor attempt to fix issues as a means for politicians to be elected by catering to their supporters and staying in power, are you suggesting that you see these policies as actually in place to one day take over the population?

Again, many things the government does are problems because they don't fix things or only make them worst, but this is not a warning sign to me that Obama is the next Castro or Hitler. That is the jump I cannot make. It is really just par for the course as far as politicians go.
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While I agree that a government run society does not make for an economically friendly nation, I do disagree that those in charge will stop enjoying the finer things in life. Communism destroyed the Soviet Union. Did its leaders ever go with out anything they wanted? Did Castro? The examples go on. Truth is the matter is that the elite will continue to live in comfort and only look at those below them as a means to their comfort.
When you and a few thousand other people have control of all things, what do you need with a few billion useless eaters? why have the worry and bother, eliminate the middle man and get right to the proceeds.

Nations mean less than nothing to many people, many of the richest of the rich do not care, money and power becomes its own nation, its own ideal.

But its not just Obama, he's just another in a long line of misguided puppets at the mercy of forces beyond his control, imo.
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I could be wrong but, pretty sure not all of those countries started out as commmunist, or fasict or just a plain dictatorship. So yeah, it is something to worry about.





First of all this ammo purchase is on top of the already much larger purchase. You have the armored personnel vehicles, the FEMA army (seriously, WTF does FEMA need an army for?) and the whole drone issue. Then you have the rumors that Obama is changing out the military command for leaders who will fire on Americans if ordered to do so. Unfounded at this point but, I have now seen it pop up a couple of other places since the first "story". And if true, why would that be necessary? The military does not have jurisdiction with in the nation. Unless martial law is enacted......


Where there is smoke there is fire. And there is way too much smoke rising from D.C. For there not to be some kind of fire.
You really think there any chance in the world that the US turns communist?

FEMA army? Obama picking commanders who will fire on Americans?

Wow....
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they just needed a few more rounds of ammo to make it happen...
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Fish covered this pretty well. If we acknowledge that the government is made up of a bunch of money hungry people looking to line their pockets it is really hard to at the same time think they no longer desire their monetary power because without a functional society that is what they are giving up. Also, practically speaking, it would be much harder to enjoy the spoils of their money if society is no longer producing and developing the things they desire.
or. Without a monetary power, while they are already holding billions of rounds of ammo and probably have all of the food and water too. Well that's true power and I'm sure that they would love to have that. All of the elite are preppers, they have underground fortresses. If society broke down, they would become even more powerful. You'd think, oh no, not without us idiots generating all of their money. But in a broken down society, those with all of the goodies are going to have total control.

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No, I don't think that's it. I do have some thoughts and a gut feeling though. Without going into detail lets just say there's aLOT of hispanic "LOOKING" people that have crossed the border in the last 10 years.
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