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Old 03-25-2013, 05:23 PM  
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DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition

Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.


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Old 03-26-2013, 06:16 PM   #106
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Speaking for myself I have on rare occasions shot hollow points while target shooting.
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In closing NOBODY buys hollow point rounds for any other reason other than stop and drop. If they bought them for target practice they need to have one aimed at them~
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:18 PM   #107
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Thank you very much for maybe the most levelheaded post i've seen on this subject.

The question i have to ask, and you mention as well is... why the urgency? what is it that has them buying ammo like its the last box they'll ever get.
I mean, the numbers are truly staggering, why do these various departments need sooo much and need it right NOW... with the numbers were talking about, they'd need to have every gun packing member of every department at the practice range 24/7 for the next 10 years.

Yet no one is seeing the need to question why, i dont get it... some of these groups, like my favorite the NOAA (to name but a few very odd signees for these purchases), why in the hell do they need to "target practice" so much? what are they practicing for? again as you say, why the urgency?

Another fair question is, just how many armed departments of DHS are there, why are there so many armed agencies within DHS and why NOW... are they worried about some massive terrorist attack, do they fear some mega disaster that would cause the kind of civil unrest that causes them to need so much ammo... why do they feel the need to stock up in such fashion now? There are simply too many odd angles on this and i simply couldnt care less about pithy comments from cosmo or anyone else about it... its damn fair and REASONABLE to question all of this.
How do you come to this assessment? Are you comparing to past purchases? What exactly is the correct number to have?
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:31 PM   #108
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The gubment already pays for my food, rent and my health care. Plus I get a child care credit. Let 'em have some ammo. The gubment knows what is best.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:15 PM   #109
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How do you come to this assessment? Are you comparing to past purchases? What exactly is the correct number to have?
Yes, i'm comparing to past purchases, had they made such gigantic purchases in the past it would surely have been headline news... 10 years isnt all that long ago.

The correct number to have, well thats an interesting number to try to come up with for a massive, sprawling new federal force that has an Unbelievable need for ammo in the next five years, even during that time span its hard to fathom the actual need... its no stretch at all to surmise that they're getting ready for something, what that is, your guess is as good as mine.

Side note: a client of mine works at a company that makes primer caps in Alton, Il and he says they're BEGGING people to work overnight double time shifts with huge bonuses etc, but that many guys are already so tired of the extra hours after the last 5 months they're refusing the overtime.

So the national guard, active military, coast guard, DEA, FBI, state police, CIA and any other of the dizzying array of armed government agencies arent enough to handle any contingency here is the US? we now need this money eating monster to grow, throwing big money at yet another armed force in this economy, in these dire straights?... whats the problem, why the need?

Nevermind those who question though, Cosmo... nothing to see here, just a bunch of babbling kooks, question nothing and accept anything you're told.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:21 PM   #110
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The first answer is to be used for the purpose the round is designed for plain and simple.
The 2nd answer is no.
There are two options here IMO
1. They are stacking up an inventory for the event a confrontation requires hollow point rounds.
2. If they were ordered strictly for target practice it is pretty strange and expensive target practice ammunition~
Since it's been established that weapons have been funneled out of the country. One could also speculate that the same is being done with ammo.
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I have a close relative that works for the DOD. He has told me that "they" ,whoever "They" are , wants all ammo supplies established , delivered and secured for DHS by November 15th of 2013. There is going to be a major event unfold and it will come about shortly after that date and when it happens it will happen rather quickly. That's all he would tell me.
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He also stated something about having a massive presence of troops stateside at that time.
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I wasn't even aware that .40 was widely used anymore in the Govt. I thought they mainly used 9mm and .45's.
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I wasn't even aware that .40 was widely used anymore in the Govt. I thought they mainly used 9mm and .45's.
I don't know about everyone, but in Montana all the LEO's I know have switched from 9MM to 40's long ago. That includes Sheriff Depts, Game Wardens, Police, and one friend that's a Marshall.
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I don't know about everyone, but in Montana all the LEO's I know have switched from 9MM to 40's long ago.
WV LEO's all switched from .40 to .45 long ago, but I have no clue about people under DHS. Just guessing at the 9mm because it used to be so cheap to shoot or train with and the .45 for obvious knock down power.
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I have a close relative that works for the DOD. He has told me that "they" ,whoever "They" are , wants all ammo supplies established , delivered and secured for DHS by November 15th of 2013. There is going to be a major event unfold and it will come about shortly after that date and when it happens it will happen rather quickly. That's all he would tell me.
Maybe, the banking holiday in Cyprus is gonna go global.
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Yeah, maybe you're right and we'll wake up tomorrow to communist government rule like those governments you listed. That's something to worry about.... yeah........
I could be wrong but, pretty sure not all of those countries started out as commmunist, or fasict or just a plain dictatorship. So yeah, it is something to worry about.


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All of these moves? What kooky things are you trying to add to the discussion other than the ammo purchasing?

First of all this ammo purchase is on top of the already much larger purchase. You have the armored personnel vehicles, the FEMA army (seriously, WTF does FEMA need an army for?) and the whole drone issue. Then you have the rumors that Obama is changing out the military command for leaders who will fire on Americans if ordered to do so. Unfounded at this point but, I have now seen it pop up a couple of other places since the first "story". And if true, why would that be necessary? The military does not have jurisdiction with in the nation. Unless martial law is enacted......


Where there is smoke there is fire. And there is way too much smoke rising from D.C. For there not to be some kind of fire.
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Since it's been established that weapons have been funneled out of the country. One could also speculate that the same is being done with ammo.
Fast and furious part duex?
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Fast and furious part duex?
It would be nice to know where all this ammo is being stored. For a verity of reasons
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