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DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition

Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.


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Old 03-25-2013, 09:35 PM   #31
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If you believe that then you are more stupid than I thought when it comes to firearms. No one uses hollow points for target practice.
Apparently you are wrong about that.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:37 PM   #32
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I didn't mean that you said that. I was more just asking about the suggestion that pete is making vs practicing with what is used in the field by law enforcement.
Personally, I don't practice with hollow points. Typically, when sighting in my rifles, I'll use a cheaper round to get on paper. Then I'll use a few hollow points to dial in my scope as tight as possible. The rest of the hollow points are saved for hunting.

Handguns, I practice with a cheaper round, then go home and re-load with hollow points for home defense and CCW.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone practice with a hollow point bigger than a .22 round before. Maybe I'm the oddball? I'd be curious to hear if anyone here practices with them.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:38 PM   #33
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Oh, and BTW, a lot of ranges, primarily indoor, do not allow hollow point ammo.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:39 PM   #34
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Personally, I don't practice with hollow points. Typically, when sighting in my rifles, I'll use a cheaper round to get on paper. Then I'll use a few hollow points to dial in my scope as tight as possible. The rest of the hollow points are saved for hunting.

Handguns, I practice with a cheaper round, then go home and re-load with hollow points for home defense and CCW.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone practice with a hollow point bigger than a .22 round before. Maybe I'm the oddball? I'd be curious to hear if anyone here practices with them.
You are not alone. I've not met anyone who practices with hollow points. They do just like you and I do, FMJ's for practic and JHP's for the real deal.
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Personally, I don't practice with hollow points. Typically, when sighting in my rifles, I'll use a cheaper round to get on paper. Then I'll use a few hollow points to dial in my scope as tight as possible. The rest of the hollow points are saved for hunting.

Handguns, I practice with a cheaper round, then go home and re-load with hollow points for home defense and CCW.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone practice with a hollow point bigger than a .22 round before. Maybe I'm the oddball? I'd be curious to hear if anyone here practices with them.
This story was posted in the Lounge and you can go read the responses. I think it's safe to say that the majority opinion is no one uses hollow points for target practice.
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Oh, and BTW, a lot of ranges, primarily indoor, do not allow hollow point ammo.
What? Every single range I've been to in Texas allows hollow points. The only rounds I've every seen restricted in indoor ranges were shotgun slugs and certain rifle ammo (and that was only due to length of the lane).
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What? Every single range I've been to in Texas allows hollow points. The only rounds I've every seen restricted in indoor ranges were shotgun slugs and certain rifle ammo (and that was only due to length of the lane).
A lot won't because it tears up the backstops. Also if it were to hit a metal hangar at close range it could spray some metal in some not so nice places.
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You are not alone. I've not met anyone who practices with hollow points. They do just like you and I do, FMJ's for practic and JHP's for the real deal.
Most people plink with FMJ. However, I've seen and heard multiple range workers encourage people to shoot what they plan to load in the gun. They don't tell them to run through a whole box but they tell them they should practice with it on occasion. I've seen several people at the range run through hollow tips too.

This could be, well, because Texas. But I could see it in other states too.
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A lot won't because it tears up the backstops. Also if it were to hit a metal hangar at close range it could spray some metal in some not so nice places.
I have yet to come across one in Texas that doesn't allow hollow tips.
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This story was posted in the Lounge and you can go read the responses. I think it's safe to say that the majority opinion is no one uses hollow points for target practice.


I might add, I've seen self defense cases where prosecutors emphasized that the accused used hollow points against their attacker and sought a harder sentence because of it.
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Most people plink with FMJ. However, I've seen and heard multiple range workers encourage people to shoot what they plan to load in the gun. They don't tell them to run through a whole box but they tell them they should practice with it on occasion. I've seen several people at the range run through hollow tips too.

This could be, well, because Texas but I could see it in other states too.
How often do they run through boxes of hollow points? I'll bet not often at all. It's a giant ****ing waste of money. That's why people like Winchester make a "training" round and a "personal protection" round that are very similar.

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Personally, I don't practice with hollow points. Typically, when sighting in my rifles, I'll use a cheaper round to get on paper. Then I'll use a few hollow points to dial in my scope as tight as possible. The rest of the hollow points are saved for hunting.

Handguns, I practice with a cheaper round, then go home and re-load with hollow points for home defense and CCW.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone practice with a hollow point bigger than a .22 round before. Maybe I'm the oddball? I'd be curious to hear if anyone here practices with them.
Exactly. I keep my primary defensive pistol loaded with six Glasers and hollow points. There's no reason to practice with it. I guess if you're a government goon and it's just another box of free ammo to grab that might change, but as has been stated by everybody who isn't a ****ing retard, hollow points have one purpose, and shooting paper targets ain't it.
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I have yet to come across one in Texas that doesn't allow hollow tips.
I'm sure you've been to them all as well.....
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Exactly. I keep my primary defensive pistol loaded with six Glasers and hollow points. There's no reason to practice with it. I guess if you're a government goon and it's just another box of free ammo to grab that might change, but as has been stated by everybody who isn't a ****ing retard, hollow points have one purpose, and shooting paper targets ain't it.
Well, leave it to the Liberals that buy all this crap about "assault weapons" and "high capacity mags" to also buy whatever Napalitano says at face value.

I mean after all, who could argue with an outfit that says an AR-15 is for "personal defense" when they use it an it's an "assault weapon" when you use it?
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