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Old 03-25-2013, 05:23 PM  
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DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition

Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.


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Old 03-25-2013, 07:23 PM   #16
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The only thing I have been a able to dig up is that a hollow point may be slightly more accurate than a normal non jacketed round because: 1) the center of mass of the round is moved back away from the hollowed out tip giving it more stability in flight, and 2) hollow points tend to be manufactured with a higher overall standard. And lots of recommendations that you train with the round that you plan to carry.
Hmmm...I don't know. pete's response seems more convincing.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:28 PM   #17
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The only thing I have been a able to dig up is that a hollow point may be slightly more accurate than a normal non jacketed round because: 1) the center of mass of the round is moved back away from the hollowed out tip giving it more stability in flight, and 2) hollow points tend to be manufactured with a higher overall standard. And lots of recommendations that you train with the round that you plan to carry.
A hollow-point will make 5x the size of a wound channel. & its banned from our military under some UN or NATO ruling as inhumane. So of course no marine has ever trained with it

Even the biggest hollow-point wound channel pales in size to Cumquat200002 vagina
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:54 PM   #18
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A hollow-point will make 5x the size of a wound channel. & its banned from our military under some UN or NATO ruling as inhumane. So of course no marine has ever trained with it

Even the biggest hollow-point wound channel pales in size to Cumquat200002 vagina
On a paper target it will make the same size hole as an fmj
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:58 PM   #19
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On a paper target it will make the same size hole as an fmj
Who said they are using paper targets? Why do you think they have so many FEMA prison camps? If you're going to be hunting Americans, you practice on Americans.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:13 PM   #20
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So if something is relatively more expensive, doesn't it make sense to buy it in bulk? And maybe the reason they aren't answering why is because they already answered. I buy Brawny towels in bulk so they are less expensive and similar or less cost per roll when compared to less "Brawny" towels. This isn't that hard is it?
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So if something is relatively more expensive, doesn't it make sense to buy it in bulk? And maybe the reason they aren't answering why is because they already answered. I buy Brawny towels in bulk so they are less expensive and similar or less cost per roll when compared to less "Brawny" towels. This isn't that hard is it?
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:41 PM   #22
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The only thing I have been a able to dig up is that a hollow point may be slightly more accurate than a normal non jacketed round because: 1) the center of mass of the round is moved back away from the hollowed out tip giving it more stability in flight, and 2) hollow points tend to be manufactured with a higher overall standard. And lots of recommendations that you train with the round that you plan to carry.
the overall standard can vary depending on who made the ammo, etc etc. Let's just say that 165gr JHP's are the most expensive .40 round you can buy. The only practical purpose for a hollow point is to kill people. There is no other reason to have one. I don't buy the traning BS because I think it is just that, BS but to each their own. But to follow that logic would say that our military should use real bombs and what not instead of traning bombs and what not when they practice their bombing runs and such.
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Hollow points are for killing. They expand when hitting deer, elk, etc.. They make more damage to the tissue and organs than a FMJ. It's not a bullet for target practicing.

On the other hand, it's also a bullet used in confined areas to reduce collateral damage. Maybe in an apartment where you don't want bullets going through the bad guy and continue into the next apartment. A hijacked jet would be another example. Kill bad guy without (hopefully) killing passengers.
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Actually, hollow points are the most accurate rifle bullet out there.


When it comes to pistol rounds, it really doesn't matter that much.
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Hollow points are for killing. They expand when hitting deer, elk, etc.. They make more damage to the tissue and organs than a FMJ. It's not a bullet for target practicing.

On the other hand, it's also a bullet used in confined areas to reduce collateral damage. Maybe in an apartment where you don't want bullets going through the bad guy and continue into the next apartment. A hijacked jet would be another example. Kill bad guy without (hopefully) killing passengers.
So the story about practicing with what you use in the field is just a BS cover story for the truth--use of the ammo for the planned killing and enslavement of the US citizenry?
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So the story about practicing with what you use in the field is just a BS cover story for the truth--use of the ammo for the planned killing and enslavement of the US citizenry?
Yes, it's BS. There is no advantage to practicing with hollow points. Get this through your head. There is one reason and one reason only to have hollow points and that is to kill.
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So the story about practicing with what you use in the field is just a BS cover story for the truth--use of the ammo for the planned killing and enslavement of the US citizenry?
Where did I say that? This isn't the first time you've twisted my words. I simply stated what hollow points are for and some applications they might be used.
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Where did I say that? This isn't the first time you've twisted my words. I simply stated what hollow points are for and some applications they might be used.
I didn't mean that you said that. I was more just asking about the suggestion that pete is making vs practicing with what is used in the field by law enforcement.
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I didn't mean that you said that. I was more just asking about the suggestion that pete is making vs practicing with what is used in the field by law enforcement.
If you believe that then you are more stupid than I thought when it comes to firearms. No one uses hollow points for target practice.
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I tell you what Cosmo, the range I belong to is in kahootz with the Olathe Police Dept. A lot of Olathe cops go there to practice and few of the guys that work there are cops. I will ask them if they practice with the same rounds they carry.
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