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DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition

Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

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Old 03-27-2013, 06:53 AM   #136
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I just now saw this all kidding aside thanks for the laugh. I received some looks from coworkers wondering why I was laughing at my desk. I noticed I made your signature. That is pretty lofty and normally reserved for a presidential candidate or senator. Your humorous “got ya” is a partial quote where I go on to say a “handful of rounds in my life” (Pay attention scooter) This would amount to around a half dozen rounds. I have fired thousands of target rounds over the years. Now do a little math and maybe you will understand how pathetic your great victory is. I seriously wonder if you have ever even fired a gun in your life. Why you insist on making a fool out of yourself is beyond me~
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:21 AM   #137
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It is bewildering how so many simply choose to ignore history. As the old saying goes, if you don't learn from it you are doomed to repeat it.


I mean hell, it's not like this very nation was born out of oppression or anything....
I really don't know but I would make a broad stroke and venture to guess none of these past dictatorship governments had term limits or an impeachment process that didn't involve putting the person in a guillotine.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:21 AM   #138
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I agree that it seems at the very least a HUGE waste of money for a civilian (non-military) agency. At the most, it does seem sinister. Not so much that I think they will start kicking down doors, but making ammunition harder to get and more expensive means less people being able to own it. Since they are on record wanting to limit ammunition and certain types of weapons, it makes sense to me that this is a way to get around the legislation. Fine, you can leagally own this ammo but it'll cost you dearly.

I don't know what the end game is, but it certainly doesn't pass the smell test.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:45 AM   #139
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So according to Saint Fish no dictatorial government has existed or will ever exist because it does not make economic sense.

He certainly has history on his side in that argument...
I'm not sure how you could get that from what I typed. That doesn't make much sense.

While history cannot be ignored, there are still many aspects of history that aren't really applicable to today's US. Using the examples of past Communist government takeovers is one of those things. Anyone believing that the US could/would enslave its citizens and implement a Communist rule is just not thinking clearly or logically. And ironically, if you were actually using history as an example, you would note that the economic effects of that communist/socialist government takeover in the countries listed previously had directly contributed to the eventual economic collapse and downfall of those said governments. What you're accusing the US of wanting to do has historically failed.

This isn't a G.I. Joe cartoon, where Cobra Commander wants to take over the country and enslave everyone just because, with no clear intention or logical plan of what to do after everyone is enslaved. That silly model just does not work. And living in fear of the US turning into something like that is simply wasted emotion.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:01 AM   #140
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I'm not sure how you could get that from what I typed. That doesn't make much sense.

While history cannot be ignored, there are still many aspects of history that aren't really applicable to today's US. Using the examples of past Communist government takeovers is one of those things. Anyone believing that the US could/would enslave its citizens and implement a Communist rule is just not thinking clearly or logically. And ironically, if you were actually using history as an example, you would note that the economic effects of that communist/socialist government takeover in the countries listed previously had directly contributed to the eventual economic collapse and downfall of those said governments. What you're accusing the US of wanting to do has historically failed.

This isn't a G.I. Joe cartoon, where Cobra Commander wants to take over the country and enslave everyone just because, with no clear intention or logical plan of what to do after everyone is enslaved. That silly model just does not work. And living in fear of the US turning into something like that is simply wasted emotion.

We like to think we are so civilized. I'm sure the ancient Greeks and Romans thought their republics were safe. Take a look at the Katrina aftermath to see how little it takes for the government boot to come down on the necks of innocent people.

You are just being naive if you think it couldn't happen here.

As the Joker said, "When the chips are down, these...these civilized people, they'll eat each other."

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Old 03-27-2013, 10:13 AM   #141
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I just now saw this all kidding aside thanks for the laugh. I received some looks from coworkers wondering why I was laughing at my desk. I noticed I made your signature. That is pretty lofty and normally reserved for a presidential candidate or senator. Your humorous “got ya” is a partial quote where I go on to say a “handful of rounds in my life” (Pay attention scooter) This would amount to around a half dozen rounds. I have fired thousands of target rounds over the years. Now do a little math and maybe you will understand how pathetic your great victory is. I seriously wonder if you have ever even fired a gun in your life. Why you insist on making a fool out of yourself is beyond me~
I understood that you said using the hollow points was infrequent. At least a couple other people said something similar--infrequent, but sometimes. At least one person mentioned that it was recommended to practice with what you normally use.

Taking all that in from just a small sample, it seems pretty ridiculous to me to say, "No one would ever use hollow points for practice."

Also take into account that we're not talking about recreational shooters or someone just shaking off the rust to be ready for that armed burglar--we're talking about professional trained federal law enforcement. To me, it does not seem too outrageous that they might practice with what they use in the field.

Also, taking into account the alternate theory that the rounds are not for practice but for citizen enslavement, and I think my theory makes a lot more sense.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:14 AM   #142
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We like to think we are so civilized. I'm sure the Greeks and Romans thought their republics were safe. Take a look at the Katrina aftermath to see how little it takes for the government boot to come down on the neck of innocent people.

You are just being naive if you think it couldn't happen here.

As the Joker said, "When the chips are down, these...these civilized people, will eat each other."
The government boot came down on the necks of innocent Katrina survivors? Really?

Ignoring how silly that sounds.... you're talking about the government's emergency response to a natural disaster. In which they were trying to offer help to civilians. They did so rather poorly. But still, that situation was not intentional governmental action to cause civil unrest. That's a huge difference. The government did not cause Katrina. So that's a lousy example and is not applicable to what we're discussing.

Social collapse in the US is certainly a possibility. I'll not deny that. But social collapse happening because the government desired and implemented it... well that's the part that's just complete crazy talk...
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The government boot came down on the necks of innocent Katrina survivors? Really?

Ignoring how silly that sounds.... you're talking about the government's emergency response to a natural disaster. In which they were trying to offer help to civilians. They did so rather poorly. But still, that situation was not intentional governmental action to cause civil unrest. That's a huge difference. The government did not cause Katrina. So that's a lousy example and is not applicable to what we're discussing.

Social collapse in the US is certainly a possibility. I'll not deny that. But social collapse happening because the government desired and implemented it... well that's the part that's just complete crazy talk...
So apparently you didn't hear about the forced gun confiscation or the cops shooting and killing a retarded kid.
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The government boot came down on the necks of innocent Katrina survivors? Really?

Ignoring how silly that sounds.... you're talking about the government's emergency response to a natural disaster. In which they were trying to offer help to civilians. They did so rather poorly. But still, that situation was not intentional governmental action to cause civil unrest. That's a huge difference. The government did not cause Katrina. So that's a lousy example and is not applicable to what we're discussing.

Social collapse in the US is certainly a possibility. I'll not deny that. But social collapse happening because the government desired and implemented it... well that's the part that's just complete crazy talk...
No power, no cops, looters everywhere, and government goons show up and.... disarm you. Explain how that's helpful.

And I think it's very applicable to this discussion, since disasters (natural or otherwise) provide excuses for the goons to grab more and more power.
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So apparently you didn't hear about the forced gun confiscation or the cops shooting and killing a retarded kid.
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No power, no cops, looters everywhere, and government goons show up and.... disarm you. Explain how that's helpful.

And I think it's very applicable to this discussion, since disasters (natural or otherwise) provide excuses for the goons to grab more and more power.
One of the great right-wing myths. They did not go around taking guns away.
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So apparently you didn't hear about the forced gun confiscation or the cops shooting and killing a retarded kid.
Like I said, they handled Katrina very poorly.

But let's look at your Katrina claims anyway...

The gun confiscation was not undertaken by the federal government. It was done by the local New Orleans police forces. And after the disaster was over, some of the guns were returned to their owners(others were "Damaged"). And on top of that, the federal government actually brought charges up against the NO police for doing what they did.

So not only did the federal government not do what you're claiming, they sought to prosecute those who did. It makes me feel dirty to defend the federal government like this, but here it is:

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For the past several months, the federal building on Poydras Street has seen a steady stream of New Orleans police officers trudge in and out, all of them testifying before grand jurors gathering evidence of possible civil rights violations in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina -- allegations that center on police misbehavior.

Federal agents, meanwhile, have been studying police e-mails and documents obtained by subpoena -- as well as through a surprise search warrant executed on the New Orleans Police Department homicide office -- in an attempt to ferret out exactly what happened in the chaotic days after the storm.

The feds also have sent subpoenas seeking photographs to The Times-Picayune, and they have ordered a former photographer for the paper to testify before the grand jury.

Observers and authorities say the investigations, and the charges they are likely to result in, could shake the very foundation of the New Orleans Police Department in ways that haven't been seen since the Len Davis murder-for-hire case in the mid-1990s. Davis, who essentially ran a drug-protection racket comprised of fellow NOPD officers, was sentenced to death for ordering the execution of a woman who filed a complaint against him.

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A state grand jury in late 2006 indicted seven police officers on murder and attempted murder charges, but a Criminal District Court judge last year dismissed the charges, concluding that prosecutor errors tainted the case. Federal authorities then agreed to pick up the case.

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The scope of the feds' inquiry -- and the expectation that the effort will bring results -- has led many observers to recall the mid-to-late-1990s, when FBI agents were actually stationed within the Public Integrity Bureau. That relationship resulted in some shocking prosecutions, among them the arrest and conviction of two police officer brothers who were part of drug kingpin Richard Pena's distribution operation.

NOPD Superintendent Warren Riley, through a spokesman, declined to comment on the probes in detail. "The NOPD has cooperated with the U.S. attorney and the FBI and will continue to do so throughout their investigations, " said Bob Young, head of the department's public affairs division.

Rafael Goyeneche, president of the Metropolitan Crime Commission, said even without knowing what the results of the post-Katrina investigations will be, they must be considered to be serious, based on the resources the federal government has committed.

Agents, along with prosecutors, have woken up officers at home. They have issued several subpoenas for a wide array of documents, including all Blackberry communications for officers in several police districts and in specialized units, sources said.

Federal prosecutors have also demanded that the NOPD preserve all such communications during an 11-month period starting in September 2005.

Perhaps most dramatically, agents conducted a raid on the NOPD's homicide division in early August, showing up unannounced and executing a search warrant on the computers and files of two veteran homicide detectives -- both supervisors -- who had handled NOPD investigations of the Danziger and Algiers incidents.

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Like I said, they handled Katrina very poorly.

But let's look at your Katrina claims anyway...

The gun confiscation was not undertaken by the federal government. It was done by the local New Orleans police forces. And after the disaster was over, some of the guns were returned to their owners(others were "Damaged"). And on top of that, the federal government actually brought charges up against the NO police for doing what they did.

So not only did the federal government not do what you're claiming, they sought to prosecute those who did. It makes me feel dirty to defend the federal government like this, but here it is:
And it should be noted that it wasn't part of some organized effort to disarm the population. There were instances where people were disorderly and/or the cops felt threatened. Given the circumstances, some of the local cops probably overreacted. But even under normal circumstances, if you are armed and being disorderly or a cop feels threatened (always a judgement call for the cop), he's probably going to disarm you.

So, this wasn't a federal govt enslavement attempt. Look at me--defending the Bush adminstration.
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The government boot came down on the necks of innocent Katrina survivors? Really?

Ignoring how silly that sounds.... you're talking about the government's emergency response to a natural disaster. In which they were trying to offer help to civilians. They did so rather poorly. But still, that situation was not intentional governmental action to cause civil unrest. That's a huge difference. The government did not cause Katrina. So that's a lousy example and is not applicable to what we're discussing.

Social collapse in the US is certainly a possibility. I'll not deny that. But social collapse happening because the government desired and implemented it... well that's the part that's just complete crazy talk...
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