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View Poll Results: Should we have invaded Iraq on 3/19/03?
Yes 16 15.53%
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:56 AM  
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Invasion of Iraq 10 years later: Good move or mistake

10 years ago today the US invaded Iraq to overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein. The after-effects of that decision are still being felt to this day, and obviously will continue to play out in the years and decades to come. At this milestone, however, knowing everything that you know now, should we have gone in, or not?

Regrets and hypotheticals aren't really the goal here. We could go on and on (and have, many times) about how the post-invasion situation was handled, etc. ad infinitum. You should vote simply on the facts as they have actually occurred over the last 10 years.

Poll forthcoming. Note that it will be a public poll.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:51 AM   #16
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The premise far invading Iraq was built on an outright fabrication. So yeah, the idea was a bad one, too.
A Saddam fabrication, perhaps.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:52 AM   #17
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:55 AM   #18
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Oh, and 24-3 against, and counting... Other than "does ***** suck?" you almost never see that kind of majority around here.
Is Geno Smith a no-brainer 1.1 pick? That's a question that shows that CP isn't necessarily a bellweather community.

FWIW, only a slim majority of Americans (53%) think Iraq was a mistake according to a recent Gallop poll. That's incredibly low given the difficulties we encountered there and all the anti-Iraq War propaganda we've been exposed to over the past 8 years or so.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:58 AM   #19
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I'm with you, what exactly did our billions of dollars and lost/maimed men and women get us, other than a country that now cozies up to iran?

It was a black hole of lives and money.
All of this...plus it was based on a lie. Not just a little, run-of-the-mill Washington lie. No, an all-timer.

I can find some good from the action, but it is buried in so much bad.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:59 AM   #20
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So lets ask this question: Would the US or world be less or more safe if we had not invaded? If we had never gone in, would things be different, worse or the same?
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:08 AM   #21
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No but we have the luxury of hindsight. Sticking with the region, causes, and non global wars, was Libya in 1812, 1986, 2011; Lebanon in 1958, 1982; Iran/Persian Gulf in 1980, 1987-90; Kuwait 1991, Afghanistan 1982- 89, 2001-today; Iraq, 1991-2002, answered OIF but separate question was OIF PH III worth it and then to have just left in the summer of 2003?
Then again everything from 1980 is personal to me and I’m sorry but I don’t remember you guys on any of these deployments and particularly during the planning and execution of OIF PH III. Lesson for me remains, kill your enemies, listen to the lamentations of their women, and then walk away. Attempting to rebuild the world in our image or as we would like it to be using the military tool of national power is literally applying the wrong tool. The cost of that misuses in U.S. capital-everyway that can be defined: our people, money, integrity, leadership, policies, politics has proven to be not worth it. But at the time the end state for the invasion was the removal of Saddam. The great WMD hunt was the secondary reason. The Iraq resolution in Oct 2002 passed with a vote of 297-133 with 3 non votes in the House and 77 to 23 in the Senate. Hindsight is great isn’t it?
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:10 AM   #22
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It is inevitable, of course, that you would blame Obama for "losing" Iraq, but it's really only NeoCon arrogance that we can rebuild countries in our image that led to making the mistake that we were going to "win" (in the way that you mean) there to begin with.
No, it has nothing to do with rebuilding them in our image. That would have been nice, but it was never the most important goal for me, at least. What I wanted was a western-friendly state that could help us in our quest to diminish radical islamism.

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Instead, we have an Iraq that is increasingly looking to Iran (our main Islamist enemy in the region). Long term, that was probably inevitable given the democraphics of the country, once we toppled the existing dictatorship. Don't think there was a way to win there. Never was. We just chose the bloodiest, most expensive way to lose.
I don't think it was inevitable at all. Barack Obama was handed a strong diplomatic relationship with a country that was on the upswing economically and that was tired of war but with strong feelings of insecurity. He immediately declared our intentions to abandon ship and did nothing to counter Iraqi factions that wanted the US out. Pure failure. Thank goodness Bush won the war before Obama got the opportunity to lose it or it would have been an infinitely worse result.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:43 AM   #23
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All of this...plus it was based on a lie. Not just a little, run-of-the-mill Washington lie. No, an all-timer.

I can find some good from the action, but it is buried in so much bad.
It would be like finding a Pearl in sewage tank
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:48 AM   #24
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No at the time, no 10 days, weeks, months, and years later.

A completely indefensible action that only served to show the gullibility of the American populace.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:55 AM   #25
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:56 AM   #26
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No. I was a supporter and advocate of removing Saddam throughout, but with the benefit of hindsight, I don't see how you can reach any conclusion other than that it was a historic blunder and fiasco and a complete disaster for the US and for the entire region.
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I was one of the masses blindly wanting revenge for 9/11 back then. Bought the entire story hook, line and sinker. Not real proud to admit that. Instead of invading Iraq, we should have been putting foot to ass with our "allies" - Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, and even Saudi Arabia.


It's ironic that Norman Schwarzkopf was denied a fifth star for publically disagreeing with W's dad on not finishing the job in Iraq the first time.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:10 AM   #28
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I was one of the masses blindly wanting revenge for 9/11 back then. Bought the entire story hook, line and sinker. Not real proud to admit that. Instead of invading Iraq, we should have been putting foot to ass with our "allies" - Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, and even Saudi Arabia.


It's ironic that Norman Schwarzkopf was denied a fifth star for publically disagreeing with W's dad on not finishing the job in Iraq the first time.
I was a supporter ATM also and I voted crack kiddy Bush into office. I even voted his second term.

what a boondoggle the whole thing has turned out to be. the men in charge should have been prosecuted for crimes on americans and abroad.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:39 AM   #29
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:53 AM   #30
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Is Geno Smith a no-brainer 1.1 pick? That's a question that shows that CP isn't necessarily a bellweather community.

FWIW, only a slim majority of Americans (53%) think Iraq was a mistake according to a recent Gallop poll. That's incredibly low given the difficulties we encountered there and all the anti-Iraq War propaganda we've been exposed to over the past 8 years or so.

Interesting Gallup poll. Thanks for the link.
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