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Old 03-19-2013, 01:10 AM  
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The Great Cyprus bank robbery

Has nobody really brought this up? Huge news of a tiny little island being used as a beta test for the EU and the USA. (no tin foil hat needed)

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yprus is a beta test. The banksters are trying to commit bank robbery in broad daylight, and they are eager to see if the rest of the world will let them get away with it.

Cyprus was probably chosen because it is very small (therefore nobody will care too much about it) and because there is a lot of foreign (i.e. Russian) money parked there.

The IMF and the EU could have easily bailed out Cyprus without any trouble whatsoever, but they purposely decided not to do that. Instead, they decided that this would be a great time to test the idea of a "wealth tax". The government of Cyprus was given two options by the IMF and the EU - either they could confiscate money from private bank accounts or they could leave the eurozone.

Apparently this was presented as a "take it or leave it" proposition, and many are using the world "blackmail" to describe what has happened. Sadly, this decision is going to set a very ominous precedent for the future and it is going to have ripple effects far beyond Cyprus.

After the banksters steal money from bank accounts in Cyprus they will start doing it everywhere. If this "bank robbery" goes well, it will only be a matter of time before depositors in nations such as Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal are asked to take "haircuts" as well.
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Many of you may be entirely convinced that the Great Cyprus Bank Robbery could never happen in America.

Well, where do you think this whole plan was dreamed up?

It was the IMF that reportedly pushed the hardest for the wealth tax in Cyprus, and the IMF is headquartered right in the heart of Washington D.C.

Almost every nation on the planet has to deal with the IMF. It is an organization that is dominated by the United States and that is always involved when there is an international debt crisis.

If the IMF thinks that it is a great idea to steal from bank accounts to solve a financial crisis in Cyprus, why wouldn't they impose a similar solution in other countries in the future?

And if bank accounts are no longer safe, are there any truly safe places to put your money?

You can trust the politicians when they tell you that an unannounced "wealth tax" will never happen where you live if you want, but that is the exact same lie that the politicians in Cyprus were telling their people until the day that it happened. The following is from an article in the Cyprus Mail...

And after all, President Anastasiades had emphatically declared in his inauguration speech that “absolutely no reference to a haircut on public debt or deposits will be tolerated,” adding that “such an issue isn’t even up for discussion.” Finance Minister Michalis Sarris made similarly reassuring statements, arguing that it would be lunacy for the EU to impose such a measure because it would threaten the euro system.
There's a ton of articles out there about this thing, will post from a news source in next post. I put these up for discussion sake. Background story coming...
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:14 AM   #2
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This one seems to explain what's going on.

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Lawmakers in Cyprus are still scrambling for a way to raise €5.8 billion ($7.5 billion) to help pay for an international bailout of the country's banks and government.

A plan to seize up to 10 percent of people's savings has been met with fury and it has raised concern, if not panic, in the rest of Europe about the security of bank deposits in times of financial turmoil.

On Tuesday, Cypriot lawmakers are scheduled to vote a revised plan that would not be so burdensome for people with less than €100,000 in the bank. Any plan must be approved by the other eurozone countries, which would then commit €10 billion in rescue loans to Cyprus.

Banks in Cyprus will remain shut until Thursday to give political leaders time to hash out a deal.

Here's a look at the plan and the problems it may pose.

HEY, HOW CAN THEY DO THAT?
As a member of the euro currency, Cyprus can to raise or lower taxes whenever it wants. It isn't the first time that a eurozone nation has raised taxes to cope with mounting debt and to prop up struggling banks. Residents of Greece, Portugal and Ireland — all bailout recipients — have seen their tax bills skyrocket in recent years as those countries tried to reduce their debts. But Cyprus is charting new ground here, and there could be legal — and political — challenges.

AND HOW EXACTLY WILL IT WORK?
Banks have already acted to seal off the amount of the levy — a 6.75 percent tax on deposits under €100,000 and 9.9 percent on those above — so depositors can't access it. Banks will remain closed until Thursday to avoid a rush of withdrawals while lawmakers finalize the move. They will vote on Tuesday, but some are seeking modifications, mainly to lower the tax rate on deposits under €100,000. To do that, however, they have to raise the rate for the larger depositors, since the overall scheme has to raise a total of €5.8 billion.

HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED BEFORE?
So far in the euro crisis, depositors have been protected. But European countries have taxed bank deposits before. In the 1990s, Italy levied a tax on every bank account to stave off the collapse of its lire currency. The rate, however, was miniscule — 0.06 percent — compared to what Cyprus is enacting. Iceland — another island with an outsized financial sector, although worse weather — also relied on depositors to prop up its banks. When the crisis hit there in 2008, Iceland protected its domestic deposits but reneged on deposit insurance for overseas, Internet-based accounts held by British and Dutch. Those two governments stepped in to help their citizens to the tune of $5 billion. The U.K. and the Netherlands sued Iceland unsuccessfully in a European court to get their money back, but Iceland has nevertheless started to repay some of that money.
European officials are promising this Cyprus is a unique case, and they are right in one aspect: Cypriot banks are overwhelmingly funded by deposits, not bondholders. So it wouldn't have been very fruitful to go after bondholders.

WHO IS AFFECTED?
All people with money in Cypriot banks — except those with money in Greek branches, which will be sold to Greek banks. EU and IMF creditors clearly wanted to protect struggling Greece, but perhaps also saw that Greece is the most likely place in the eurozone for a bank run. Protecting depositors there minimizes that possibility. Of the more than €68 billion on deposit in Cypriot banks, foreigners hold about 40 percent — and most of those are Russians. Cyprus could have only gone after non-EU depositors, but it may have been hard to distinguish between Cypriot and Russian savers, said Jacob Kirkegaard, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. That is because many Russians have dual citizenship and many Russian businesses are registered on the island. Kirkegaard said Cypriots may paradoxically welcome this measure since the government just managed to widen its tax base to include a lot of Russians; the taxes levied in Greece, Portugal and Ireland were for residents alone to shoulder.

WHY DID CYPRUS NEED A BAILOUT?
Cyprus built its economy in recent years by becoming a financial center, much the way Ireland and Iceland before it did. Its banks offered Internet accounts to foreigners, were renowned for their service, provided substantial privacy to clients and had very low taxes. It worked so well that Cyprus' banking industry ballooned to nearly eight times the country's gross domestic product at the height of the boom. In December, it was still more than seven times Cyprus' €17.5 billion GDP. Russians — looking for warmer climes, lower tax rates and shared culture in the form of Orthodox Christianity — are thought to hold the majority of those accounts, with about €20 billion in the island's banks.

But Cyprus' banks held a lot of Greek debt and suffered significant losses when they took a writedown of those bonds as part of the Greek bailout. Much of Cyprus' bailout money will be used to recapitalize Cypriot banks to prevent them from collapsing. Like other eurozone countries, Cyprus has also seen its deficit and debt explode as growth has ground to a halt. And with the banking system so large, the government wouldn't have been able to bail it out even in a healthy economy.

WHY DO RUSSIANS KEEP SO MUCH MONEY IN CYPRUS?
Russian businessmen have preferred to place their savings in offshore jurisdictions, partly to escape political uncertainty and corruption in Russia. Cyprus offers a 10 percent corporate tax rate and relatively stable political situation. Cyprus is also believed to be a top destination for money-laundering. It is much safer for a corrupt Russian official to keep proceeds from illegal activities abroad, hiding information about their fortunes and holdings away from the prying eyes of Russian banking regulators. Russian officials estimated that about $49 billion, which is equivalent to 2.5 percent of Russia's gross domestic product, was wired to foreign accounts illegally last year.


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Old 03-19-2013, 01:26 AM   #3
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So this plan is pushed by the IMF and the EU. Give depositors a haircut or get kicked out the EU.

Even though Russian companies have several offers to bail these banks out with TONS OF MONEY. (gas exploration or buying the banks and/or both)

This problem can be solved without stealing from private bank accounts. So why are they doing it? Why are we pushing it?

Why is the EU not coming out and saying this won't happen elsewhere?
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:38 AM   #4
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:19 PM   #6
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Would have thought more people would talk/care about this?

Scary shit, and I absolutely agree this will be happening all over the world if it works in Cyprus. And by works I mean the govt isn't overthrown and the economy and/or banking system doesn't collapse.
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Would have thought more people would talk/care about this?

Scary shit, and I absolutely agree this will be happening all over the world if it works in Cyprus. And by works I mean the govt isn't overthrown and the economy and/or banking system doesn't collapse.
Yes, because there are so many countries out there like Cyprus, a tiny island with a massive banking sector mostly composed of offshore accounts of Russian oligarchs.
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Yes, because there are so many countries out there like Cyprus, a tiny island with a massive banking sector mostly composed of offshore accounts of Russian oligarchs.
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Yes, because there are so many countries out there like Cyprus, a tiny island with a massive banking sector mostly composed of offshore accounts of Russian oligarchs.
This solution isn't being pushed by the Cypriot govt...
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This solution isn't being pushed by the Cypriot govt...
Its being pushed by Germany, which doesn't want to bail out Russian mobsters laundering their money through Cyprus. The amount of Russian offshore accounts held in Cyprus is larger than their entire economy. Germany (rightly) wants those depositors to bear the brunt of the bank failure. This is a unique circumstance.
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Its being pushed by Germany, which doesn't want to bail out Russian mobsters laundering their money through Cyprus. The amount of Russian offshore accounts held in Cyprus is larger than their entire economy. Germany (rightly) wants those depositors to bear the brunt of the bank failure. This is a unique circumstance.
That's the cover story to make it okay. There's still protesting by regular folks getting hurt.
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Its being pushed by Germany, which doesn't want to bail out Russian mobsters laundering their money through Cyprus. The amount of Russian offshore accounts held in Cyprus is larger than their entire economy. Germany (rightly) wants those depositors to bear the brunt of the bank failure. This is a unique circumstance.
Sure. I've linked above to quotes from the EU not ruling this out elsewhere. In fact, I'll have to find it, but New Zealand is working on making this same scenario happen there.

There has been testimony before Congress on ideas of having the gov't "buy" our IRA's, 401k's etc and in return guarantee a 1-3% return annually in a type of social security thing. Also, during the Clinton admin, the idea of a wealth tax, where the gov't takes something like 10-15% of all retirement accounts as a one time tax was trial ballooned.

There's a lot of money sitting out there that the gov't doesn't have access to right now, and that's something they want to change. The world is broke, they are looking for solutions in every possible way except lowering spending.
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I don't buy the excuse that this is just a way of getting at Russian mobster money. It's either an OK thing to do or it isn't. (First they came for the mobsters... )

I find it troubling primarily because the tax is being levied on money already deposited without any chance for the owners to choose whether or not to expose themselves to it. In many of the most common tax schemes, a person can decide whether or not they want to earn an income (income tax), purchase a product (sales tax), invest in a dividend producing company or an interest bearing savings account, or sell an appreciated security. I'd have less problem with this deposits tax if it only applied to future deposits or if people had some time to withdraw their current balances without being exposed to the tax.

On the other hand, other than what I mentioned above, this isn't all that different from a property tax. If this is wrong, maybe we should reconsider our property tax system that chips away at our accumulated wealth year after year.
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