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Old 03-05-2013, 10:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:11 AM   #76
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I can see this happening.
The problem with this is, if MB throws well at his pro day, the Chiefs may drop too far and lose out on him. It would be a fun draft day if the Chiefs draft Geno and hold him hostage though. It would also be painful to see the Chiefs draft the player I want and then trade him away. Just cruel.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:12 AM   #77
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It isn't contrarian. It's common sense a team isn't going to use the #1 pick in the draft on a player that will sit on the bench for two years, or give up two seconds for a player that will only start one year. This reminds me of the people who thought KC would take Sanchez even after giving up the 2nd for Cassel.
Yet, they'll piss it away on a doughy LT they don't need, another 3-4 end, a ****ing corner, or a reserve situational pass rusher....That would be soooo much better. Got it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:12 AM   #78
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It isn't contrarian. It's common sense a team isn't going to use the #1 pick in the draft on a player that will sit on the bench for two years, or give up two seconds for a player that will only start one year. This reminds me of the people who thought KC would take Sanchez even after giving up the 2nd for Cassel.
Newsflash: Alex Smith will not be starting by week 16
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:15 AM   #79
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Newsflash: Alex Smith will not be starting by week 16
I don't think that's the case if they draft Geno or Barkley.

For Alex to not be starting in Week 16.....we would have to be horribly bad next year.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:17 AM   #80
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I'm not going to set myself up for another 'heartbreak'...

If we get Geno, it'll be gravy. Right now, I don't feel like that's a possibility but if it happens Christmas comes early. No need to get myself all worked up about something that probably has a 5% chance of realistically happening.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:17 AM   #81
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You also blow the roof off of Arrowhead by doing so.

Tru Fans got their recycled vet. Baters get their young, stud QB to take over when ready. It really is a Win/Win and we start to regain the homefield advantage that's gone to shit.
There were people ready to storm Arrowhead with torches and pitchforks if they "wasted" the #1 pick on a quarterback before the Alex Smith trade.

If they took a QB with that pick now, the KC area would suffer an epidemic of family annihilator killings, with mom and the kids dead in their beds and dad's body seated in his worn out easychair with the big framed poster of Marty Schottenheimer behind him.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:19 AM   #82
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I'm not going to set myself up for another 'heartbreak'...

If we get Geno, it'll be gravy. Right now, I don't feel like that's a possibility but if it happens Christmas comes early. No need to get myself all worked up about something that probably has a 5% chance of realistically happening.
I still think that they're going do everything they can to trade down. I'm just not going to close my eyes, put my fingers in my ears and refuse to believe that they won't draft a QB at 1.1.

EDIT: I'm not saying that you are....BTW.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:20 AM   #83
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I don't think that's the case if they draft Geno or Barkley.

For Alex to not be starting in Week 16.....we would have to be horribly bad next year.
You can't start someone who's on IR
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:20 AM   #84
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There were people ready to storm Arrowhead with torches and pitchforks if they "wasted" the #1 pick on a quarterback before the Alex Smith trade.

If they took a QB with that pick now, the KC area would suffer an epidemic of family annihilator killings, with mom and the kids dead in their beds and dad's body seated in his worn out easychair with the big framed poster of Marty Schottenheimer behind him.
Heh, don't know about all that but wives would be beaten, that's for sure.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:22 AM   #85
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Heh, don't know about all that but wives would be beaten, that's for sure.
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There were people ready to storm Arrowhead with torches and pitchforks if they "wasted" the #1 pick on a quarterback before the Alex Smith trade.

If they took a QB with that pick now, the KC area would suffer an epidemic of family annihilator killings, with mom and the kids dead in their beds and dad's body seated in his worn out easychair with the big framed poster of Marty Schottenheimer behind him.
No, it wouldn't. If they took a QB....this fanbase would defer to Andy Reid and John Dorsey and claim that they know what they're doing.....like they do with every pick the Chiefs make.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:27 AM   #87
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No, it wouldn't. If they took a QB....this fanbase would defer to Andy Reid and John Dorsey and claim that they know what they're doing.....like they do with every pick the Chiefs make.
Yep. Sheeple.
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Probably a trade back. But I wouldnt mind Joekel, or Warmack.

Just for fun we could trade with the Jets and pick up Tebow AND Revis maybe. That would shore up TWO spots and maybe even STILL get a stud OL. 9 spot is perfect, do it REID!
The question wasn't what options are palatable to you. You were asked to call your shot. By simply stating different options, you are doing the exact same thing I was doing, only using lame wishy-washy language so you can back out of it later.

CALL YOUR SHOT.

What are the Chiefs going to do with 1.1.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:28 AM   #89
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but if Andy/Dorsey see it the way I see it...

Geno could go #1 and be 3rd string for a year. That's fine with me. Let Alex play, sign a veteran to back him up, and give Geno a "coaching/learning" year. That's fine.

If Alex can get us to 9-7 and plays another Harbaugh-esque year and is efficient...we could always flip him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder on his expiring contract year to a team that is "sold" on him because he is, in fact, an efficient game manager (if he puts together another year this year like he did for 8 games in 2012 there is no doubt he's a valuable QB to some franchise out there)...

so lets say we start Alex for a year for a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder (2014) and then flip him for a 3rd rounder in 2014 (and maybe another conditional pick in 2015)...so we can afford a guy who is (according to most) pretty raw (Geno Smith) a learning/coaching year...and I have zero issue for that.

If that's the master plan...then I say genius.

Basically trade a 2nd and 3rd for 1 year of Alex Smith and then turn his expiring contract into a 3rd and 4th the following year while affording Geno Smith 1 year to work out all of his kinks, get a year of Andy Reid coaching, and get an NFL year under his belt.

If that's what they are doing...my ****ing God, we have a guru front office/coaching staff.
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The question wasn't what options are palatable to you. You were asked to call your shot. By simply stating different options, you are doing the exact same thing I was doing, only using lame wishy-washy language so you can back out of it later.

CALL YOUR SHOT.

What are the Chiefs going to do with 1.1.
I just said trade back.
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