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Old 03-05-2013, 10:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:36 PM   #136
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If we don't take Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher with the first pick, we are jackasses for not trading down.

I can listen to any argument about abilities and needs. In fact, I can almost buy the need for Geno Smith (although I still doubt his abilities). but any fool who wastes anything more than a 7 or 8 pick for Geno Smith may as well piss dollars and give away bank accounts. Why take only Smith when you can have Smith and another pick, more cash, or a complimentary player?

For those of you that believe Geno Smith is a number 1 pick, I have a 1976 Ford Fairmount that I will sell you for 29,000.00 cash.


This, again?

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Old 03-05-2013, 01:39 PM   #137
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:40 PM   #138
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She's a really annoying internet chick, who posts videos and talks like she's on speed. But she's really cute so she got internet-famous. Her name is Boxxy. I had to ask him the same question a while back lol.

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Old 03-05-2013, 01:40 PM   #139
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This, again?

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Seriously, the vehicle still runs. I will gladly send you pics. Surely you need a competent vehicle that should run for a while for a little more than reasonable price.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:41 PM   #140
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If we don't take Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher with the first pick, we are jackasses for not trading down.

I can listen to any argument about abilities and needs. In fact, I can almost buy the need for Geno Smith (although I still doubt his abilities). but any fool who wastes anything more than a 7 or 8 pick for Geno Smith may as well piss dollars and give away bank accounts. Why take only Smith when you can have Smith and another pick, more cash, or a complimentary player?

For those of you that believe Geno Smith is a number 1 pick, I have a 1976 Ford Fairmount that I will sell you for 29,000.00 cash.
lolwut?

The difference between Andrew Luck's contract and Mark Barron's contract is $7 million dollars. It's fully guaranteed either way.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:44 PM   #141
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If wanting to bang Boxxy makes one a creep, I don't wanna be anything else!
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:46 PM   #142
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If we don't take Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher with the first pick, we are jackasses for not trading down.

I can listen to any argument about abilities and needs. In fact, I can almost buy the need for Geno Smith (although I still doubt his abilities). but any fool who wastes anything more than a 7 or 8 pick for Geno Smith may as well piss dollars and give away bank accounts. Why take only Smith when you can have Smith and another pick, more cash, or a complimentary player?

For those of you that believe Geno Smith is a number 1 pick, I have a 1976 Ford Fairmount that I will sell you for 29,000.00 cash.
If a team believes Geno is worth the #7 or #8 pick, then that same team is going to have the same value for Geno at #1. It would be foolish to plan your draft with the intention of trading down. If you're sitting at #1, and think the guy you want will go at 7 or 8, you take him. You can create the imaginary scenario in which you ask yourself "Why take only Smith when you can have Smith +". But you can't approach the draft with that goal in mind.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:48 PM   #143
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If a team believes Geno is worth the #7 or #8 pick, then that same team is going to have the same value for Geno at #1. It would be foolish to plan your draft with the intention of trading down. If you're sitting at #1, and think the guy you want will go at 7 or 8, you take him. You can create the imaginary scenario in which you ask yourself "Why take only Smith when you can have Smith +". But you can't approach the draft with that goal in mind.
Low miles on that Fairmount. Do you have an email where you would like me to send pics? After all, it is worth the 29K if the buyer has 29K to spend.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:48 PM   #144
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We don't know. That's the truth.
We don't know what? That Alex Smith is the QB? I guess we don't, technically, but we will a week from today. Officially.

People want to talk about him like he's some over-the-hill retread they can bring in to hold the fort for a year or two. He's not. He's a 29-year old retread that's entering what's generally the prime for QBs. That paired with the purported compensation is not, to me, indicative of a short-term move. I think we're seeing someone being handed the job for the next 5 years, unless he flames out in some epic way.

And don't mistake that as me saying that it's a good move in any way or that he's a good quarterback. I think he's basically a ball and chain that's going to hold us down for the next 5 years, just like Cassel was. Then we get to start all over yet again, as Hali and Bowe and DJ and Albert and Charles all start to head off into the sunset.

But, yeah, we don't know for sure. I think it's a safe assumption to make, though. And we'll know more starting next week, as they start to make other moves.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:51 PM   #145
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Seriously, the vehicle still runs. I will gladly send you pics. Surely you need a competent vehicle that should run for a while for a little more than reasonable price.
There are so many holes in your argument it'll take too much time to dissect, and lord knows we've been killing that argument for months now.

This isn't about Geno Smith the player, but your entire philosophy in general, which is ****ing terrible.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:53 PM   #146
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You can rationalize all you want, but nothing short of seeing them actually do it on draft day is going to convince me it was ever even a remote possibility. I just don't see it happening. People are coming up with all these fantasy scenarios, when the reality is...Alex Smith is our quarterback, and will be our quarterback for the forseeable future. The sooner folks come to grips with that, the less of a disappointment April 25th will be, whatever happens that day.
yes, some people here are in some serious denial, accept it and move on geez
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:54 PM   #147
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Low miles on that Fairmount. Do you have an email where you would like me to send pics? After all, it is worth the 29K if the buyer has 29K to spend.
Understandably you're at a loss for how to argue your position.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:57 PM   #148
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There are so many holes in your argument it'll take too much time to dissect, and lord knows we've been killing that argument for months now.

This isn't about Geno Smith the player, but your entire philosophy in general, which is ****ing terrible.
I wouldn't say my "entire philosophy" since we don't even know each other.

However, I respect your viewpoint that you believe a risk is worth the cost of the pick. I just heartily disagree with you that his value is not that highly perceived 5 other NFL teams picking after us and that we can always get more for a lesser pick.

If you believe ANY team before the Cardinals will pick Smith, then you are right. If not, you are wrong, it is that simple.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:57 PM   #149
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We don't know what? That Alex Smith is the QB? I guess we don't, technically, but we will a week from today. Officially.

People want to talk about him like he's some over-the-hill retread they can bring in to hold the fort for a year or two. He's not. He's a 29-year old retread that's entering what's generally the prime for QBs. That paired with the purported compensation is not, to me, indicative of a short-term move. I think we're seeing someone being handed the job for the next 5 years, unless he flames out in some epic way.

And don't mistake that as me saying that it's a good move in any way or that he's a good quarterback. I think he's basically a ball and chain that's going to hold us down for the next 5 years, just like Cassel was. Then we get to start all over yet again, as Hali and Bowe and DJ and Albert and Charles all start to head off into the sunset.

But, yeah, we don't know for sure. I think it's a safe assumption to make, though. And we'll know more starting next week, as they start to make other moves.
We don't know who the Chiefs are going to take. That was expressed several times in my post, because at this point, it really can be any one.

The compensation for Alex Smith doesn't dictate that he's a long term solution. Whether or not he gets an extension will dictate that.

If Alex doesn't get an extension, then that is very telling of what they think of him and what their long term goals may be.
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I wouldn't say my "entire philosophy" since we don't even know each other.

However, I respect your viewpoint that you believe a risk is worth the cost of the pick. I just heartily disagree with you that his value is not that highly perceived 5 other NFL teams picking after us and that we can always get more for a lesser pick.

If you believe ANY team before the Cardinals will pick Smith, then you are right. If not, you are wrong, it is that simple.
You assume that the Chiefs would actually HAVE a trade down partner. You also assume that if the Chiefs can in fact trade down, that the team trading UP wouldn't be for a QB.

When was the last time a team traded into the #1 Overall slot for anything other than a QB?
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