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Old 03-03-2013, 07:55 PM  
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The Holocaust Just Got More Shocking

Thirteen years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe.

What they have found so far has shocked even scholars steeped in the history of the Holocaust.

The researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe, spanning German-controlled areas from France to Russia and Germany itself, during Hitler’s reign of brutality from 1933 to 1945.





http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/su...wanted=1&_r=4&
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:07 PM   #76
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Yes along with several other things. To be honest that is the only thing the disgrace of a church is good for...long over due apologies. The sad thing is after the long and painful process of getting these shitbags to fess up they immediately go back to be infallible again
I can assure you that the Church neither apologized for nor 'fessed up' to the Nazi Holocaust.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:13 PM   #77
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I would ask is you were serious with this pathitic post but sadly you are~
You're great at coming into a thread with your cap-guns blazing. But it never takes long before you trickle off to insignificant mumblings that repeat your general rants. I'm not embarrassed to participate in this thread just because I'm a Catholic. With pride I speak out against the religious hatred you constantly spew without provocation.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:13 PM   #78
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I would rather die fighting than lose my freedom of speech. Thats a deal breaker and I would have no choice but to join the war against tyranny.

I'm bowing out of this thread. It's conjuring up too many memories.
Easy to say when you are accustomed to having freedoms and then see them being ripped away from you. A lot more difficult to do when you are used to being at least some what controlled/oppressed.

The freedom the common man enjoys in this nation is pretty damned unique in the history of the world. Most people would have no idea that they could possess so much power over their own lives, let alone know how to actually fight for it. We were blessed to have forefathers that were educated, free thinking and determined men.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:15 PM   #79
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I can assure you that the Church neither apologized for nor 'fessed up' to the Nazi Holocaust.
Weak dodge scooter weak dodge~
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:28 PM   #80
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If anyone is interested, I have a PDF of Maus broken into two halves. 40 MB each.

I think it's something that every young adult should read.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:30 PM   #81
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Weak dodge scooter weak dodge~
I have no idea why you would interpret that as an attempted dodge.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:36 PM   #82
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I have no idea why you would interpret that as an attempted dodge.
White noise my little friend, you know it as do I~
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:41 PM   #83
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Regarding the disconnect in this thread:

1) The history of anti-Semitism exists throughout Europe. Read Emma Lazarus' "1492"; it examines the disconnect between the discovery of a New World and the old European attitudes. How individuals who fund a journey that explores the frontier of the possible can be so close-minded.

1a) Why do you think Jews are associated with money and banks? Leaders of Western societies realized in the Middle Ages the utility of lending money, but given that usury was a damnable sin, Christians (and Muslims) couldn't do it. So who do you find to do it? The Jews. Then you blame them when they perform the social role that you forced upon them.

1b) Jews have been blamed for nearly every calamity in European history. WWI was but one example. They were blamed for poisoning the wells during the Black Death, among others.

2) The entire reason why there were so many Jews in Poland is because it was the only kingdom that openly accepted them while others expunged them. It was a safe haven for centuries

3) The Milgram and Stanford Prison experiments display the ability of ordinary individuals to do awful things merely by following orders. You may want to think that you would object, but every scientific study suggests that it is highly unlikely.

4) The Danes proved the ability of civilian resistance. They refused to hand over their Jewish population and Danish Jews suffered among the lowest death rates in the entirety of the Holocaust.

5) Many Jewish leaders unwittingly (or purposely, according to some) aided in the ease of genocide by encouraging the local population to go acquiesce to German demands, and orderly assimilate into ghettos and pogroms.

It's a complicated issue that is being reduced to soundbytes.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:51 PM   #84
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3) The Milgram and Stanford Prison experiments display the ability of ordinary individuals to do awful things merely by following orders. You may want to think that you would object, but every scientific study suggests that it is highly unlikely.
I've read about that one a bit and seen some You Tube on it. Another book on it is The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil. Haven't read it but am interested in picking it up. I see parallels in America today.

http://www.lucifereffect.com/

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It's a complicated issue that is being reduced to soundbytes.
It certainly is.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:51 PM   #85
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What dreamworld do you live in where people are this noble?

Most people won't even stand up for somebody who's been unjustifiably fired out of fear of losing their own jobs.
I saw a man in china stand up to tanks. It was the most heroic thing I've ever seen.
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Well, this was an interesting thread until the DC sewage leaked in.
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I've read about that one a bit and seen some You Tube on it. Another book on it is The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil. Haven't read it but am interested in picking it up. I see parallels in America today.

http://www.lucifereffect.com/



It certainly is.
Also read "The Genocidal Killer in the Mirror" by Crispin (sp?) Sartwell and On Killing by Dave Grossman which analyzes how militaries train soldiers to overcome their innate resistance to killing.

Eichmann in Jerusalem is a systemic analysis of the Nazi death program through the lens of the Eichmann show trial. It looks in great depth at the ability of the common person to do horrific things. It's also where the term "The banality of evil" comes from.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:18 PM   #88
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People in this thread might also be interested in watching Young Torless, a German movie that subtly introspects the Nazi movement by analogizing passive witnesses of school bullying.
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I'm bowing out of this thread. It's conjuring up too many memories.
Just remember alot of Germans, Poles, Russians et al have alot of bad memories too.

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Maybe someday your radar will include the huge influence of anti-Semitism that was preached and endorsed by your church. A charge of Jewish deicide or in simple terms "Christ killers" was not dropped until the 60s. This from a church that proclaimed to be: The One True Church ,The Only Church that Christ Established Is the Catholic Church. It should be noted that pogroms against Jews was endorsed by this church for centuries and ended around 1920. I would think you would be too embarrassed to even open this thread. You would be better served to stick to the thread that will track which man will be your new substitute for Christ on earth. The good news is the bar is pretty ****ing low for whatever clown they prop up~
I think there is enough examples of anti-semitism in all Christian denominations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
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