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NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady

NFL combine QB recap: Tyler Bray rises, Geno Smith holds steady

INDIANAPOLIS — The 2013 NFL Draft quarterback class is ripe for someone, really anyone, to step up and take the reins as the lead prospect.

One of the players in the mix to potentially do that, Matt Barkley, was one of three quarterbacks invited to the scouting combine that did not participate in drills because of an injury (Zac Dysert and Sean Renfree being the others). Barkley’s absence left a host of other contenders hoping to close the gap on West Virginia’s Geno Smith, currently a general-consensus pick as the No. 1 QB available.

The QB group worked through its on-field drills on Sunday, two days after meeting with the media. A quick look at how some of the top participating quarterbacks fared this weekend, and what it might mean going forward:

Geno Smith, West Virginia
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 218 … 40 time: 4.59 … Vertical jump: 33.5 inches

If you needed any further proof that there is no RGIII in this year’s QB class, Smith running the best 40-yard-dash at this position should do it. But for Smith, his 4.59 40 should help convince teams that he can get out of the pocket and make plays, even if he’s not an option-offense prospect.

On the flip, however, Day 4 of the combine wrapped without any real sense that any QB had separated himself from the rest. All the throws were there for the West Virginia product, but his inability to really run away and hide from the rest of the class certainly will not help his case for the No. 1 overall selection.

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 227 … 40 time: 5.06 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches

Nassib’s low-end 40 time (unofficially 5.06, better than only Landry Jones at quarterback) proofed what his college tape showed and what he told the media here Friday: He’s not a speed QB.

“I’m not much of a runner by trade like some other guys,” Nassib said, when asked if he could run the zone-read.

As a pocket passer, though, Nassib did nothing to hurt his stock during Sunday’s workout. The knocks on Nassib include that he lets his mechanics slip and occasionally floats passes downfield. But in the controlled combine environment, he was able to flash a strong, accurate arm. Nassib is a more athletic QB than he showed in the 40, too, so don’t expect his 5.06 to hurt him too much.

Mike Glennon, N.C. State
Height: 6-7 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 26.5 inches

Right now, Glennon is a sort of take-what-you-get prospect for NFL teams. He did manage to come in under 5.0 seconds unofficially in the 40, topping Nassib, Tyler Bray and Jones, but he’s simply a tall, gangly QB with room to grow both physically and as a passer.

There’s no denying that he has a strong arm — one of the strongest in the draft. Is that enough to convince NFL teams to overlook his downsides? Maybe, but Sunday likely will not go down as his distinguishing moment.

Tyler Bray, Tennessee
Height: 6-6 … Weight: 232 … 40 time: … Vertical jump: DNP

Say hello to your high-riser at the QB position out of the combine. Bray weighed in at 232, up a whopping 24 pounds from his final game at Tennessee. Like Glennon and Nassib, he’s far from a burner or an option guy, so his high 40 time shouldn’t hinder him too much.

And that’s especially true because Bray zinged the ball (and did so accurately) during drills. There’s definitely room for quarterbacks to rise and fall between now and the draft, and Bray’s weekend work has him trending in the right direction.

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas
Height: 6-2 … Weight: 215 … 40 time: 4.94 … Vertical jump: 28.5 inches

Wilson was middle of the road in most of Sunday’s drills. That’s an improvement from a couple days ago, when Wilson measured in alongside Colby Cameron and Matt Scott as the smallest QB prospects here (6-2) and stood alone with the smallest hands (8 3/4). The latter could be an issue for a lot of teams — small hands are believed to translate to a weak grip on the football and, thus, fumbles and/or passes that tend to wobble.

Wilson still has work to do as a passer, where his footwork tends to desert him. He did not make any glaring mistakes Sunday.

E.J. Manuel, Florida State
Height: 6-4 … Weight: 237 … 40 time: 4.65 … Vertical jump: 34 inches

Manuel said Friday, “I definitely feel I’m the best quarterback in this class.” Even though that may not wind up being true, Manuel continues to look more and more like a definite Day 2 option for teams hoping to develop a quarterback. Manuel finished second to Smith in the 40, but he measured in with the biggest hands of any QB (10 3/8 inches), put up the top vertical jump and posted the second-best broad jump (9 feet, 10 inches).

He’s an athlete with a nice arm, plus might be capable of running at least a little read-option. All of that could combine to drive Manuel up the draft board.

Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Height: 6-4 … Weight: 225 … 40 time: 5.11 … Vertical jump: 31 inches

Jones timed in as the slowest of the quarterbacks who participated Sunday, with a 5.11. That’s only so important for a pocket guy like Jones, but it does further the perception that Jones’ all-around game is tolerable yet underwhelming. Jones appeared to have a fine day throwing the football — hitting his spots when able to set and fire has never been his bugaboo, though.
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Old 02-25-2013, 04:54 PM   #2
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Makes sense. Everyone already knew Geno was the #1 QB in the draft. The question was just if it was worth a top overall pick. And Most still say no.

EJ Manuel will end up being a steal if he drops to the third.

I prefer the NFL.com article though;

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap...ins-status-quo


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EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State: Manuel continued to ride the momentum he generated at the Senior Bowl, where he took home Most Outstanding Player honors. He ran the second-fastest 40-yard dash among the quarterbacks (4.65) and put together a consistent passing session during the field workout. Manuel struggled to repeat the same delivery and footwork on college tape, but he was much more consistent in both areas during the workout. During the fall, I didn't talk to any NFL evaluators who had him higher than the third round, but now there's talk that he will come off the board by the middle of Round 2.

Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia: This explosive playmaker was the star of the day. He didn't quite run as fast as Texas wide receiver Marquise Goodman (4.27), but his time of 4.34 created quite a buzz in the building. Additionally, I loved his combination of explosiveness and preciseness as a route runner during the field workout. Despite his lack of ideal size (5-foot-8 1/2, 174 pounds), he has shown enough to warrant a first-round selection. The Pittsburgh Steelers have a multitude of needs to fill on the defensive side of the ball, but I would think Austin has to be in the discussion for their selection at No. 17. He would be an outstanding candidate to replace Mike Wallace (should he depart via free agency).
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Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: Smith arrived at the combine as the top quarterback in this year's draft, and nothing has changed following his performance on the field. Smith started off the day with the fastest QB 40 time (4.59) and finished it with a solid field workout. I watched a few more of his games in the last two days, and I was disappointed in his footwork. I didn't see any of those same issues during Sunday's session. It's obvious he has worked hard to correct his flaws in this area.

Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee: Patterson did nothing to disappoint during his time on the Lucas Oil Stadium turf. He ran a 4.42 40, despite having a slight stumble at the 10-yard mark. (He found another gear over the final 20 yards of the test.) During the field workout, Patterson didn't "wow," but he showed impressive burst, the ability to quickly get in/out of his break and reliable hands. This draft doesn't contain a surefire stud at wide receiver in the mold of A.J. Green or Julio Jones, but Patterson has the potential to develop into a Pro Bowl-caliber pass catcher.
They also list Matt Scott as a sleeper. A guy Jaguars have been looking at due to our QB coach's familiarity.
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Old 02-25-2013, 04:54 PM   #3
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Tyler Bray won't be rising anywhere. He'll stay right where he is. 2nd on the Jags draft board.
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Tyler Bray won't be rising anywhere. He'll stay right where he is. 2nd on the Jags draft board.
Jags are not drafting a poor man's Gabbert. Actually. I don't even think Bray's football IQ brings him to that level.
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This is in direct contradiction to what I saw yesterday regarding Wilson. He was crap. Complete and utter crap. I don't know if they didn't show us everything but from what I saw, I wouldn't draft him any higher than 4th.

Bray was impressive and I wouldn't be surprised to see him rise into the second round. Nassib was unimpressive and I don't even think they showed Scott in throwing drills.
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I know you were waiting for the combine Dane, wondering you're thoughts now.


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This is in direct contradiction to what I saw yesterday regarding Wilson. He was crap. Complete and utter crap. I don't know if they didn't show us everything but from what I saw, I wouldn't draft him any higher than 4th.

Bray was impressive and I wouldn't be surprised to see him rise into the second round. Nassib was unimpressive and I don't even think they showed Scott in throwing drills.
Yes they did.
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Yes they did.
I'll have to go back and watch it later tonight. I saw him run but I guess I missed him throwing.
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who was I arguing with about how much weight Tyler Bray would gain between the end of his season and the combine?

Ka-boom.

Hope I am as accurate with other predictions as I was with that one. It would mean Geno Smith is a Chief.
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I'll have to go back and watch it later tonight. I saw him run but I guess I missed him throwing.

I think it depends on who you recognize. It felt like a 1 hour James Vandy show to me.
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Why does everyone want to turn Geno into an option offense QB?
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You know the answer to this question.
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You know the answer to this question.
I do and it sickens me nobody has called the NFL out on it yet.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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I do and it sickens me nobody has called the NFL out on it yet.
Yes. It's an inconvenient truth. Maybe he can just switch appearances with Sam Bradford for a few weeks. Needs to go see the guys that did this...

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Yup.
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