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Old 02-25-2013, 11:47 AM  
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2009 = 2013

The 2008 season = 2-14, ushered in the ***** regime.

The 2012 season = 2-14, ushered in the Reid regime.

3rd overall pick in 2009, with a great QB prospect on board (Sanchez), no QB on the roster.

1st overall pick in 2013, with a great QB prospect on board (Smith), no QB on the roster.

Chiefs trade a high 2nd in 2009 for somebody else's backup (Matt Cassel).

Chiefs trade a high 2nd in 2013 for somebody else's backup (Alex Smith).

Matt Cassel's career stats as of today: 58% completion, 6.6 yards/pass, 173 yards/game, 82 TD to 57 INT, 160 sacks, and 24 40+ yard plays.

Alex Smith's career stats as of today: 59% completion, 6.6 yards/pass, 178 yards/game, 81 TD to 63 INT, 196 sacks, and 33 40+ yard plays.

Chiefs use the 3rd overall in 2009 on a non-impact trench player (Tyson Jackson).

Chiefs use the 1st overall in 2013 on a non-impact trench player (Eric Fisher).

In 2009, the QB all us Chiefs fans wanted (Mark Sanchez) was taken by the Jets instead. (He ended up sucking.)

In 2013, the QB all us Chiefs fans wanted (Geno Smith) was taken by the Jets instead. (Time will tell.)

I HATE THIS GODDAMN TEAM.

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Old 02-25-2013, 12:21 PM   #46
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Was I the only one who didn't think Sanchez was a great QB prospect at the time? I couldn't have been, but it sure felt like it sometimes.
I would have pulled the trigger on Sanchex if we hadn't traded for Cassel but he had alot more red flags then he ever had "it". Sanchex to Geno Smith isn't a good comparison at all. From the number of starts to the arm strength to the athleticism.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:21 PM   #47
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Was I the only one who didn't think Sanchez was a great QB prospect at the time? I couldn't have been, but it sure felt like it sometimes.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:21 PM   #48
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This idea keeps coming up. All it's going to do is make you angry. You aren't going to ever hire anyone who cares about this kind of history. If Reid and Dorsey are fired in 4 years, the next guy isn't going to care about the mistakes they made. Just like Dorsey doesn't care about *****.
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Then that is on Clark Hunt shoulders and he hasn't learned shit from his mistakkes we will never learn as a franchise and correct the wrongs.


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Old 02-25-2013, 12:23 PM   #49
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Yeah, I hated Cassel from the start. I was railing on that trade and calling him Casshole before he ever put a Chiefs uniform on.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:23 PM   #50
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I would have pulled the trigger on Sanchex if we hadn't traded for Cassel but he had alot more red flags then he ever had "it". Sanchex to Geno Smith isn't a good comparison at all. From the number of starts to the arm strength to the athleticism.
I would've too. I never thought Sanchez would be as god awful as he's been. Even with the ?'s about him coming out
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:25 PM   #51
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Was I the only one who didn't think Sanchez was a great QB prospect at the time? I couldn't have been, but it sure felt like it sometimes.
I didn't think he was a great prospect. I was concerned about his lack of starts.

But I let myself get caught up in wanting him because the alternative was scary. And guess what? Regardless of how Sanchez turned out, the alternative absolutely WAS scary.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:27 PM   #52
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Was I the only one who didn't think Sanchez was a great QB prospect at the time? I couldn't have been, but it sure felt like it sometimes.
I didn't like Sanchez at all.

I did whiff on Matt Ryan though... I never thought he would be any good.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:34 PM   #53
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The lesson we needed to take in both 2008 and 2009 was that you have to do whatever it takes to move up. Ryan was sitting there at 3, and the Falcons purportedly would've been fine with Dorsey. Stafford we probably had no chance at.

And now that we're sitting at #1 ourselves...

Passing on Geno Smith would make selecting Tyson Jackson look like a genious move in comparison. It's such a no-brainer.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:35 PM   #54
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Sanchez was a pretty good prospect. He needed time to sit and learn, which is what alot posters on here wanted. He proved he could play on the bright stage in the playoffs, just didn't have the mental prepartion week in and week out. Which a vet showing the ropes would have helped. Not to mention the Jets pretty much dismantled that team but alas that is in the past.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:35 PM   #55
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I didn't like Sanchez at all.

I did whiff on Matt Ryan though... I never thought he would be any good.
Is he really that good?

I would have taken Matt Ryan. But I was also convinced that he was more of a game manger than anything else.

So far, that's really what he has been, a high-end game manager.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:38 PM   #56
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The 2008 season = 2-14, ushered in the ***** regime.

The 2012 season = 2-14, ushered in the Reid regime.

3rd overall pick in 2009, with a great QB prospect on board (Sanchez), no QB on the roster.

1st overall pick in 2013, with a great QB prospect on board (Smith), no QB on the roster.

Chiefs trade a high 2nd in 2009 for somebody else's backup (Matt Cassel).

Chiefs trade a high 3rd in 2013 for somebody else's backup (Alex Smith).

Matt Cassel's career stats as of today: 58% completion, 6.6 yards/pass, 173 yards/game, 82 TD to 57 INT, 160 sacks, and 24 40+ yard plays.

Alex Smith's career stats as of today: 59% completion, 6.6 yards/pass, 178 yards/game, 81 TD to 63 INT, 196 sacks, and 33 40+ yard plays.

Chiefs use the 3rd overall in 2009 on a non-impact trench player (Tyson Jackson).

Chiefs use the 1st overall in 2013 on a non-impact trench player (Luke Joeckel).

I HATE THIS GODDAMN TEAM.

SERIOUSLY.

**** THIS GODDAMN TEAM.
Just stop.

You're getting ready to jump off of a bridge and you're trying to convince everyone else to jump with you because your panties are in a wad over a complete BULLSHIT story.

THE 49ERS AND THE CHIEFS HAVE NOT AGREED TO ANYTHING. This story has the same amount of proof as the stories that claimed it was a 95% certainty that Andy Reid will coach the Arizona Cardinals. It has the same amount of proof as Nick Athan's "The deal is done" story about Mike Shanahan becoming the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Right now it's nothing more than bullshit speculation.

Not only have you gone into full panic mode over bullshit speculation, but you're also insisting upon blaming Reid and Dorsey for the collective failures of their predecessors.

Do you blame Obama for the War in Iraq over WMDs that were never found?

Do you blame Bush for the Monica Lewinsky scandal?

Do you blame Clinton for the Iran Contra affair?

Do you blame Reagan for the stagflation of the 1970s?

Do you blame Carter for the Viet Nam war?

No? You don't blame those guys for the mistakes of their predecessors? Then maybe you should stop blaming Dorsey and Reid for everything bad that has ever happened with the Chiefs.

IF they pass on Geno Smith, and IF they bring in Alex Smith, and IF they fail as miserably as the Scott ***** regime did, THEN threads like this will be appropriate. IF those things happen, THEN you'll be able to blame them all you want, and they will deserve it.

Until then, you're just acting like a whiny bitch.

JUST STOP.

SERIOUSLY.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:39 PM   #57
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Is he really that good?

I would have taken Matt Ryan. But I was also convinced that he was more of a game manger than anything else.

So far, that's really what he has been, a high-end game manager.
I agree. He's not an Elite QB, but he's taken the Falcons a lot further than I thought he would.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:44 PM   #58
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Just stop.

You're getting ready to jump off of a bridge and you're trying to convince everyone else to jump with you because your panties are in a wad over a complete BULLSHIT story.

THE 49ERS AND THE CHIEFS HAVE NOT AGREED TO ANYTHING. This story has the same amount of proof as the stories that claimed it was a 95% certainty that Andy Reid will coach the Arizona Cardinals. It has the same amount of proof as Nick Athan's "The deal is done" story about Mike Shanahan becoming the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Right now it's nothing more than bullshit speculation.

Not only have you gone into full panic mode over bullshit speculation, but you're also insisting upon blaming Reid and Dorsey for the collective failures of their predecessors.

Do you blame Obama for the War in Iraq over WMDs that were never found?

Do you blame Bush for the Monica Lewinsky scandal?

Do you blame Clinton for the Iran Contra affair?

Do you blame Reagan for the stagflation of the 1970s?

Do you blame Carter for the Viet Nam war?

No? You don't blame those guys for the mistakes of their predecessors? Then maybe you should stop blaming Dorsey and Reid for everything bad that has ever happened with the Chiefs.

IF they pass on Geno Smith, and IF they bring in Alex Smith, and IF they fail as miserably as the Scott ***** regime did, THEN threads like this will be appropriate. IF those things happen, THEN you'll be able to blame them all you want, and they will deserve it.

Until then, you're just acting like a whiny bitch.

JUST STOP.

SERIOUSLY.
No matter how many times you pause, rewind and play the movie Titanic it hits the iceberg everytime.

The Chiefs are the Titanic; Alex Smith / Matt Cassel / Trent Green / Elvis Grbac / Steve Bono / Joe Montana / Steve Deberg are the iceberg.

That whole thing with Kate Winslet on the piece of wood is the same thing that's played out since 1983.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:44 PM   #59
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No? You don't blame those guys for the mistakes of their predecessors? Then maybe you should stop blaming Dorsey and Reid for everything bad that has ever happened with the Chiefs.
Nobody is BLAMING Dorsey and Reid for everything bad that has ever happened with the Chiefs.

People are, RIGHTFULLY, concerned that they will repeat the mistakes of the past. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Sanchez had nowhere near the tape, resume, or skills that Geno has shown over the course of their respective college careers and yet still went #5 overall.

If you need a QB and you have a top five pick, Geno is your man people.
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