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Old 02-15-2013, 08:21 AM  
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1st round QBs vs 2nd round QBs: a 20 year comparison

1st round QBs.

Out of 52 QBs: 16 Pro Browlers, 20 with winning records, 13 Super Bowl appearances, 7 Super Bowl rings. 17 with at least 100 TD passes.

2nd round QBs

Out of 22 QBs: 3 Pro Bowlers, 8 with winning records, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl ring. 2 with at least 100 TD passes.

Note: Five of the "winners" from the second round were Colin Kapernick, Kordell Stewart, Shaun King, Quincy Carter and Todd Collins.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:14 AM   #16
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:20 AM   #17
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But if wes take a QB n da 1st we no acn hav the TeeBoe's dat just win gaemz!!! And Joker to blok 4 him!!!
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:23 AM   #18
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:24 AM   #19
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1st round QBs.

Out of 52 QBs: 16 Pro Browlers, 20 with winning records, 13 Super Bowl appearances, 7 Super Bowl rings. 17 with at least 100 TD passes.

2nd round QBs

Out of 22 QBs: 3 Pro Bowlers, 8 with winning records, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl ring. 2 with at least 100 TD passes.

Note: Five of the "winners" from the second round were Colin Kapernick, Kordell Stewart, Shaun King, Quincy Carter and Todd Collins.
Wonder how many of the 32 QB's taken in the first round with losing records were reaches and were not really 1st round talent?
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:30 AM   #20
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Wonder how many of the 32 QB's taken in the first round with losing records were reaches and were not really 1st round talent?
That's hard to say. How do you qualify first round talent? Is it purely physical talent? Because if you're just grading based on physical talent, guys like Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell are surefire first round talents. So are later picks like Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, JP Losman and Daunte Culpepper.

Picking a QB, like any position in the draft, is a crapshoot.

But hey, it sure is a good thing the Chiefs didn't reach for Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco or Josh Freeman when they picked DJ, Dorsey and Jackson!!!
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:30 AM   #21
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Wonder how many of the 32 QB's taken in the first round with losing records were reaches and were not really 1st round talent?
None of them, obviously. The chiefs haven't drafted a qb in the 1st round since Blackledge.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:34 AM   #22
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So you are saying if Matt Cazle was picked in the 1st round we would have gone to the super Bowl already?
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:36 AM   #23
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Pro Bowl: 1st round: 30.7% (16 of 52) 2nd round: 13.6% (3 of 22) = 1st round wins by large margin

Winning Record: 1st round: 38.4% (20 of 52) 2nd round: 36.3% (8 of 22) = Push

Super Bowl Appearance: 1st round: 25% (13 of 52) 2nd round: 9% (2 of 22) = 1st round wins by large margin

Super Bowl Wins: 1st round: 13.4% (7 of 52) 2nd round: 4.5% (1 of 22) = 1st round wins by large margin

At Least 100 TD passes: 1st round: 32.6% (17 of 52) 2nd round: 9% (2 of 22) = 1st round wins by large margin
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:38 AM   #24
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That's hard to say. How do you qualify first round talent? Is it purely physical talent? Because if you're just grading based on physical talent, guys like Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell are surefire first round talents. So are later picks like Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, JP Losman and Daunte Culpepper.

Picking a QB, like any position in the draft, is a crapshoot.

But hey, it sure is a good thing the Chiefs didn't reach for Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco or Josh Freeman when they picked DJ, Dorsey and Jackson!!!
any QB picked top 10 like Leaf or Russel would go 1st round in any year. Guys with pure physical abilities like that will always go high. Measurables still matter and always will. Why? Because those guys have the highest percentage of success.


guys picked later in the 1st round, like JP losman, Druckenmiller, etc.....its questionable whether they would be a 1st round pick in another year......varies depending on the talent available each year. Some drafts are strong, others very weak.
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1st round QBs.

Out of 52 QBs: 16 Pro Browlers, 20 with winning records, 13 Super Bowl appearances, 7 Super Bowl rings. 17 with at least 100 TD passes.

2nd round QBs

Out of 22 QBs: 3 Pro Bowlers, 8 with winning records, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl ring. 2 with at least 100 TD passes.

Note: Five of the "winners" from the second round were Colin Kapernick, Kordell Stewart, Shaun King, Quincy Carter and Todd Collins.
7 Super Bowl Rings - does that mean total SB wins by 1st round QBs, or that there are 7 1st round QBs who have won a SB?
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:40 AM   #26
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1st round QBs.

Out of 52 QBs: 16 Pro Browlers, 20 with winning records, 13 Super Bowl appearances, 7 Super Bowl rings. 17 with at least 100 TD passes.

2nd round QBs

Out of 22 QBs: 3 Pro Bowlers, 8 with winning records, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl ring. 2 with at least 100 TD passes.

Note: Five of the "winners" from the second round were Colin Kapernick, Kordell Stewart, Shaun King, Quincy Carter and Todd Collins.
and how many duplicates are there...ex.of the 52 how many show up more than once in each category?
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and how many duplicates are there...ex.of the 52 how many show up more than once in each category?
It's 16 individual Pro Bowlers, 20 individual winners and 13 combined Super Bowl appearances and 7 combined rings.
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Note: Five of the "winners" from the second round were Colin Kapernick, Kordell Stewart, Shaun King, Quincy Carter and Todd Collins.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:51 AM   #29
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It's 16 individual Pro Bowlers, 20 individual winners and 13 combined Super Bowl appearances and 7 combined rings.
So 13, or 65%, of the last 20 Superbowls were won by non-first round QB's?

Is there any other particular round that is strong, or are the remaining 13 spread between the other rounds equally?
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So you are saying if Matt Cazle was picked in the 1st round we would have gone to the super Bowl already?
Hard to say. Might be interesting to see what the sats are for back-up college TE's playing QB in the NFL. Maybe we should be all over WVU's backup TE instead of Geno.
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