A little something for the nutjobs - all that ammo

[cosmo20002]

Homeland Security and its cache of bullets
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL | Associated Press – 10 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

The government's explanation is much less sinister.

Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

ICE's ammunition requests in the last year included:

—450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

—40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

—176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

—25,000 blank rounds

The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government's bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.

Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant inspector general for external relations, said those bullets were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

Jones the talk-show host did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/homeland-secur...190840538.html

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

He's really good at spinning the wild stories (or endorsing the ones he hears), but when asked how or why, then he's got nothing.

I've asked several times why the govt ammo purchase should even be looked at with suspicion. What is the point of reference for how much is "legitimately" needed? How did they (the conspiracy nuts) decide what is "normal?" No answer to that.

I answered this. You just to ****ing stupid to understand what you have read.

[notorious]

I look at it as "when" not so much "if".


"When" could be in 20 years or 200. Every country that has risen to power has fallen.


I want my kids to grow up in a country like it is today than what a revolution will bring. But, in the event that it happens in my lifetime, we are in a good position surrounded by food, fuel, weapons, and few people.

[frazod]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I answered this. You just to ****ing stupid to understand what you have read.

There's no point. ****mo won't believe anything not provided by the government or one of its anointed mouthpieces. Anybody who offers up anything but the official government line is lying or crazy. You can't penetrate this level of indoctrination.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by frazod

There's no point. ****mo won't believe anything not provided by the government or one of its anointed mouthpieces. Anybody who offers up anything but the official government line is lying or crazy. You can't penetrate this level of indoctrination.

Like I said yesterday he would make a good lil Nazi with a 40acp loaded with hollow point's that are banned by NATO. Its all made up by the crazies.
Nothing to see here. Those Choppers flying around 3 weeks ago with agents hanging out of them shooting blanks at everything, scarring the **** out of every civilian that watched it go down in several different cities. Was just the new everyday America.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by frazod

Yeah, the reason you're here debating this silly shit with a bunch of paranoid rednecks is because you're so uber-successful.

Eh, at least you self-identify as a paranoid redneck. That's a start.

And I need study breaks on occasion. CP just happens to be part of my internet detour around the stuff that actually matters.

[frazod]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Eh, at least you self-identify as a paranoid redneck. That's a start.

And I need study breaks on occasion. CP just happens to be part of my internet detour around the stuff that actually matters.

No, I just realize that's what an idiot twat like you thinks. Which is fine by me.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I answered this. You just to ****ing stupid to understand what you have read.

Link?

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Link?

Only if you promise to hold your breath.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by frazod

No, I just realize that's what an idiot twat like you thinks. Which is fine by me.

It doesn't seem fine.
I don't blame you. I blame your lack of education.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by frazod

There's no point. ****mo won't believe anything not provided by the government or one of its anointed mouthpieces. Anybody who offers up anything but the official government line is lying or crazy. You can't penetrate this level of indoctrination.

Yeah, that's it. How about logic and common sense? You refuse to articulate one thing to back up your assertions other than something along the lines of its just how you feel.

You've shit yourself over ammo when you have no idea or even an opinion on what is "normal." Anyone not sharing your completely unsubstantiated intuition is "indoctrinated." Most kooks can at least point to SOMETHING to back up their rants. You're an embarassment to kooks.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Only if you promise to hold your breath.

That's what I thought. You're completely full of shit.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

That's what I thought. You're completely full of shit.

If you say so

[frazod]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

It doesn't seem fine.
I don't blame you. I blame your lack of education.

This is probably my favorite bitch move by a yuppie dildo who couldn't out-think a ****ing houseplant - pulling the "I'm ejucaded" card.

Yeah, I'm just as impressed as hell over here, Nancy.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Like I said yesterday he would make a good lil Nazi with a 40acp loaded with hollow point's that are banned by NATO. Its all made up by the crazies.
Nothing to see here. Those Choppers flying around 3 weeks ago with agents hanging out of them shooting blanks at everything, scarring the **** out of every civilian that watched it go down in several different cities. Was just the new everyday America.

Link?

You know, I can almost pinpoint which posts of yours were written during one of your meth binges. Some days, your posts are semi-lucid and occasionally funny, even some of the ones that try to crack on me. But most of the time, they are like this one.

[frazod]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Yeah, that's it. How about logic and common sense? You refuse to articulate one thing to back up your assertions other than something along the lines of its just how you feel.

You've shit yourself over ammo when you have no idea or even an opinion on what is "normal." Anyone not sharing your completely unsubstantiated intuition is "indoctrinated." Most kooks can at least point to SOMETHING to back up their rants. You're an embarassment to kooks.

How about the bullshit cover story you started this thread with, you stupid ****? You can't see that for what it is and then have the nerve to talk to anybody about logic and common sense? Holy shit.

There are links to stories about this all over the forum - I'm not here to hold your ****ing hand and point them out to you because we both know you've already seen them, Direckshun. You just ignore them or dismiss them because they don't mesh 100% with your blind devotion to your One True Government.