A little something for the nutjobs - all that ammo

[cosmo20002]

Homeland Security and its cache of bullets
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL | Associated Press – 10 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

The government's explanation is much less sinister.

Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

ICE's ammunition requests in the last year included:

—450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

—40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

—176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

—25,000 blank rounds

The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government's bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.

Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant inspector general for external relations, said those bullets were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

Jones the talk-show host did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/homeland-secur...190840538.html

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

Buy all the ammo and the guns are useless.

It's rather genius.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

They will come for the guns with force and let us spend what little ammo we have. Then they'll just walk in and take them without fear of being shot.

Probably taze anyone that gets in the way.

[scott free]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Who said the NOAA needs a bajillion bullets?

So, what's the big concern here? The conspiracy nuts can take any situation and turn it into something "scary."

They were one of many agencies listed for having a massive order of ammo.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Here is one guys take. TSA

Department of Homeland Security buying up enough ammo to wage seven-year war against the American people

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DH...#ixzz2LDGSHtdE

The problem here is the silly assumption on the purpose, meant to incite emotion. I could also state that they're buying up enough ammo to wage a seven year war against aliens. Or they're buying enough ammo to kill every bovine in the world. Or they're buying enough ammo to shoot every streetlight in America. And so on... But that just doesn't sound as nefarious.

This is all stupid conspiracy BS. Anybody who thinks that the US can or would want to wage war on its citizens clearly isn't thinking logically.

[frazod]

Originally Posted by Fish

The problem here is the silly assumption on the purpose, meant to incite emotion. I could also state that they're buying up enough ammo to wage a seven year war against aliens. Or they're buying enough ammo to kill every bovine in the world. Or they're buying enough ammo to shoot every streetlight in America. And so on... But that just doesn't sound as nefarious.

This is all stupid conspiracy BS. Anybody who thinks that the US can or would want to wage war on its citizens clearly isn't thinking logically.

I suppose you think you're immortal, right? After all, you've never died.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by frazod

I suppose you think you're immortal, right? After all, you've never died.

Uhh... no. That doesn't make any sense. Just like the US waging war on its citizens doesn't make any sense. There's no advantage for doing so. The US government gains nothing by enslaving its citizens. And that's ignoring the fact that it would not even be possible. They wouldn't have the resources to do so anyway.

[frazod]

Originally Posted by Fish

Uhh... no. That doesn't make any sense. Just like the US waging war on its citizens doesn't make any sense. There's no advantage for doing so. The US government gains nothing by enslaving its citizens. And that's ignoring the fact that it would not even be possible. They wouldn't have the resources to do so anyway.

It makes perfect sense, it just requires that at some point in your life you cracked a ****ing history book to understand it. Governments rise, fall and change all the time. The best an average citizen can hope for is that it doesn't happen in his or her lifetime.

[stonedstooge]

When in this country has supply of a product over time not able to meet demand? The ammunition shortage has been ongoing since 2008. Why is that?

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

When in this country has supply of a product over time not able to meet demand? The ammunition shortage has been ongoing since 2008. Why is that?

I had no problems buying or finding ammo in 2009,10,11,or 12.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I had no problems buying or finding ammo in 2009,10,11,or 12.

And LiveSteam helps destroy the conspiracy theory that he also helps to perpetuate. You're an enigma.

[LiveSteam]

[quote=cosmo20002;9412189]And LiveSteam helps destroy the conspiracy theory that he also helps to perpetuate. You're an enigma.[/QUOTE

You are a ****ing used tampon.
Finding or not finding ammo has nothing to do with with wanting to understand why DHS needs billions of bullets.
Go rape your mom

[Fish]

Originally Posted by frazod

It makes perfect sense, it just requires that at some point in your life you cracked a ****ing history book to understand it. Governments rise, fall and change all the time. The best an average citizen can hope for is that it doesn't happen in his or her lifetime.

History books don't really account for the feasibility of something like this happening on US soil in today's times. The US is vastly different than any of the historical instances of government tyranny in the past. US citizens are infinitely better armed and prepared. And the sheer size of the US makes something like a government takeover essentially impossible. That's the key that conspiracy theory nuts often overlook. It would be the equivalent of a government takeover of the entirety of Europe. Actually more so when you compare the size of the US to Europe. An undertaking like what you're fearing would be such an incredible challenge that it wouldn't be worth the effort to undertake. Especially considering that the US government is currently sitting fat and happy with all sorts of advantages that they would completely lose should they decide to war with their citizenry. It just doesn't make any sense...

Would you think it feasible that the entirety of Europe could be overtaken by a single government? And all of Europe doesn't even compare to the size of the US...

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by Fish

Would you think it feasible that the entirety of Europe could be overtaken by a single government? And all of Europe doesn't even compare to the size of the US...

No never. Couldn't happen in a million years. Anyone that thinks it could or has ever happened is NUTS!

[DJJasonp]

Disclaimer: This is NOT directed at anyone particular on this board:

its funny how one can call something a "kooky conspiracy" and point and laugh.....but then turn around and worship and "believe" at the steps of the altar of Al Gore.

At the end of the day, it's all about what a person chooses to be afraid of I guess.


Alex Jones serves a good purpose (and for those that dont know who he is....he has over 250 million views on his youtube channel and his online ratings are more than limbaugh and beck combined).

I'm not saying I'm a Jones advocate.......as with Jones, it's the message, and not the delivery, that's important.

The delivery, can border on the extreme and paranoia.....but the information is what is most important.

Like a business having a good audit team........Jones, unlike anyone in the MSM, serves up information that can help keep the public from blindly accepting what the government feeds us.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

No never. Couldn't happen in a million years. Anyone that thinks it could or has ever happened is NUTS!

Well dummy, it's true. No government has ever overtaken its citizenry over such a giant range of terrain, against a populace that is as armed as current US citizens. And you're still ignoring why such a thing would be something the US government would desire. This isn't a G.I. Joe cartoon where evil entities want to enslave the world for no apparent reason....