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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Not really. Certain concepts are preached by religious institutions and intertwined with their dogma. So much so that I have encountered many, many people who seem to believe that without God a person can't have morals/values/ethics, for instance. This concept can lead to the belief that coerced conversion is acceptable or even to be admired. That's just one example off the top of my head.

I'm totally not following what your point is here. Sorry.

EDIT: And I will say to you what I said to Clay: it sounds like you have a problem with PEOPLE, not with God. Being an Agnostic has NOTHING to do with organized religion.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

In the end, why is the existence of the Christian God any more silly than the existence of Allah, or Vishnu, or Zoroaster?

They're all equally silly but no one is bombarding facebook everyday with VISHNU IS GOOD memes.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm totally not following what your point is here. Sorry.

I'm saying that there are many religious people that believe that "good" behavior is defined by what they think God wants. That can lead to a lot of problems.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

They're all equally silly but no one is bombarding facebook everyday with VISHNU IS GOOD memes.

So you have a problem with Christians, not Christ.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I'm saying that there are many religious people that believe that "good" behavior is defined by what they think God wants. That can lead to a lot of problems.

Religious people are irrelevant when it comes to Agnosticism, or Atheism for that matter. Agnosticism is a personal belief, it's not a religion.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So you have a problem with Christians, not Christ.

You can't have a problem with something that doesn't exist.

So call me a militant agnostic.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

You can't have a problem with something that doesn't exist.

So call me a militant agnostic.

So you ARE an Atheist.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Religious people are irrelevant when it comes to Agnosticism, or Atheism for that matter.

That's just silly.

I have an opinion that the Catholic Church should be eradicated and I can't NOT have it.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Religious people are irrelevant when it comes to Agnosticism, or Atheism for that matter. Agnosticism is a personal belief, it's not a religion.

We were talking about why an agnostic might be bitter about religion. Not whether agnosticism is a religion itself.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

That's just silly.

I have an opinion that the Catholic Church should be eradicated and I can't NOT have it.

Again, your belief about the Catholic Church does not make you an Atheist or an Agnostic. In fact, the two are completely unrelated.

You can be an Agnostic AND believe the Catholic Church needs to be eradicated.

You can even say that the the Christian God, as portrayed by the Catholic Church, does not exist and still be an Agnostic.

But you cannot truly be an Agnostic and flatly say "the Christian God does not exist". That's antithetical to Agnosticism in the first place.

Christians <> the Christian God

For all we know, the Christian God has a real problem with the way his "people" act in this world.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by listopencil

We were talking about why an agnostic might be bitter about religion. Not whether agnosticism is a religion itself.

Being bitter about religion and being bitter about GOD are two different things.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You can be an Agnostic AND believe the Catholic Church needs to be eradicated.

You were pretty clearly saying earlier that I CAN'T, but whatever.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

You were pretty clearly saying earlier that I CAN'T, but whatever.

No, I most certainly wasn't.

You need to take a deep breath and read it all again.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

But you cannot truly be an Agnostic and flatly say "the Christian God does not exist". That's antithetical to Agnosticism in the first place.
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Then I'm neither, because neither of those terms define me.

**** Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Zoroastrians, Scientologists, Agnostics AND Atheists.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Being bitter about religion and being bitter about GOD are two different things.

Sure, but that's not what we were talking about either. You made mention of his anti-religious rants and I said that it is within reason for an agnostic to be bitter about religion.