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LT Luke Joekel 40 31.01%
DE Star Lotulelei 30 23.26%
LB Jarvis Jones 19 14.73%
Other (who, why?) 40 31.01%
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:23 PM  
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The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

Scenario (hypothetical):

It has become obvious that the Chiefs will pass on a QB with the top pick and will address the QB need (a) later in round 1, (b) in round 2, or (c) by signing a veteran. No trade down is planned either.

There seems to be the following three names on top of the draft. Among these three which one would you want the Chiefs to use their 1st pick on:

1- LT Luke Joekel (meaning Albert will walk)

2- DE Star Lotulelei (meaning T-Jax will be cut)

3- Jarvis Jones (meaning we are thinking transition to 43 soon)

4- Other (name and explain)

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This is not a Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson discussion. Keep that argument in the hundreds of other threads about it. This is about IF WE DON'T PICK A QB AT THE TOP! Just curious to know which of the picks mentioned makes more sense compared to the others IYO. If you are a staunch Geno fan, for example, this does not paint you as a traitor to the cause.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:28 PM   #511
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I'm sorry but I'm not just reading this shit from "National Guys" or whatnot.
So you don't care that two of NFL Network's guys had Geno going #1 and a third on their website also had him going #1.

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Old 02-12-2013, 10:30 PM   #512
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No, we see a talented QB with a lot of potential, and what should be easily fixed mechanical issues.

We also see an opportunity to take the best QB in his class, and understand there's some risk involved, but the potential reward is greater than the risk in this new CBA era.
That doesn't mean that he's worthy of #1 overall.

Being the best player in a draft doesn't necessarily equal success. I'm not stating that Smith won't have success, but this Do or Die mentality is quite frankly, ****ing stupid.

If the Chiefs select Smith, great! If they pass on him, great! Andy Reid is in a better position than anyone on Chiefsplanet (and just maybe, Planet Earth) to determine the best QB for the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger, etc. and so on is not only a bunch of ****ing fan bullshit, it's a ****ing TURNOFF.

How many thousands of posts do we need to read about ****ing "Geno" before the Combines and draft?

It's really become sickening.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:30 PM   #513
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So you don't care that two of NFL Network's guys had Geno going #1 and a third on their website also had him going #1.

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Old 02-12-2013, 10:31 PM   #514
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SAM MELLINGER YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN STUPID BEFORE WE FIX YOUR BRAIN, MAN
It's about general perception.

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That doesn't mean that he's worthy of #1 overall.

Being the best player in a draft doesn't necessarily equal success. I'm not stating that Smith won't have success, but this Do or Die mentality is quite frankly, ****ing stupid.

If the Chiefs select Smith, great! If they pass on him, great! Andy Reid is in a better position than anyone on Chiefsplanet (and just maybe, Planet Earth) to determine the best QB for the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger, etc. and so on is not only a bunch of ****ing fan bullshit, it's a ****ing TURNOFF.

How many thousands of posts do we need to read about ****ing "Geno" before the Combines and draft?

It's really become sickening.
nah, what's sickening is reading this same stupid shit for 30 years...

it's pathetic that a Chiefs fan would even type it
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I'm not singling YOU out but this ****ing bullshit about him being a better prospect than Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger
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Literally not ONE PERSON has said this.
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http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entr...happelle-show/

@TheJeffReport convince me that the Chiefs not drafting a QB number one overall is the smart thing to do #TwitterTuesday
The inconvenient truth is that the Chiefs stunk one year too late. The NFL personnel community is unanimous that there is no sure franchise quarterback in this draft, and drafting a guy first overall won’t change that.

I’ve been pretty consistent on this: the Chiefs NEED to upgrade at quarterback during the offseason, but I don’t care how they do it. If they decide their own needs plus a particular quarterback’s ability is worth the first pick, then cool. But if they decide they can get a worthy quarterback later in the draft, or through a trade, then they should do that.

But taking a guy first overall won’t make him Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or even Eli Manning. It might just mean they spent the highest NFL pick in franchise history on a guy they could’ve had in the second round.

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I'm sorry but I'm not just reading this shit from "National Guys" or whatnot.

At this point, there is no consensus.
Mellinger says this:

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But taking a guy first overall won’t make him Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning or even Eli Manning. It might just mean they spent the highest [b]NFL pick in franchise history on a guy they could’ve had in the second round.
He's getting the argument completely wrong. Andrew Luck and the Manning brothers aren't the standard. They're the exception.

Cam Newton had WAAAY more problems than Geno Smith coming out of college. Sam Bradford was (and still is) a broke dick who comes from a shitty QB school. Matt Stafford had the knock of being too reckless and throwing too many picks. He apparently still has that problem.

#1 overall doesn't mean you're a flawless prospect. It means you're the player that can most change a team's fortunes.

And that's Geno. Mellinger is a retard if he doesn't think Geno is on the scale or better than the #1 overall guys I mentioned above.
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Literally not ONE PERSON has said this.


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And that's Geno. Mellinger is a retard if he doesn't think Geno is on the scale or better than the #1 overall guys I mentioned above.
I know.

But just the other day, earlier in this thread, I mentioned that many people feel like Smith is a 2nd round talent in any other draft, and was met with "Those are internet idiots" or "Yeah, but NOW, it's different".

Anyway, I thought it was somewhat pertinent to the discussion to post Smellinger's viewpoint.

Not an indictment.
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nah, what's sickening is reading this same stupid shit for 30 years...

it's pathetic that a Chiefs fan would even type it
I know - I'm with you.

I WANT the Chiefs to draft a QB in the first round and I WANT him to succeed.

But I'm not going to concede that Reid is a failure, an idiot, afraid, etc. if that doesn't happen. And the only reason I've even linked these stories is because there is some doubt as to whether the Chiefs WILL take a QB in the first round.

****, I pushed for Ryan. I pushed hard for Sanchez. I wasn't here last year but I would have given up every pick in 2012 for RGIII. I am in no way, shape or form against taking a QB at 1.1. None, zip, zero.

But, the perception is that no QB is WORTH taking at 1.1.

Personally, I find this to be very, very interesting.
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I know.

But just the other day, earlier in this thread, I mentioned that many people feel like Smith is a 2nd round talent in any other draft, and was met with "Those are internet idiots" or "Yeah, but NOW, it's different".

Anyway, I thought it was somewhat pertinent to the discussion to post Smellinger's viewpoint.

Not an indictment.
Geno wouldn't be a 2nd round talent in 2012, which was considered to be the gold standard of QB classes.

At least I don't think he would be. I mean... Tannehill and Weeden over Geno? Please. That's far-fetched.

Statements like "Geno is a 2nd round talent in any other year" are just hater bullshit. It's a stretch to say that just as much as it's a stretch to say he's flawless.
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I haven't seen him say it.
Search him in this thread. He said he'd take Smith over ANY QB this CENTURY other than Luck.

I mean, come on. Really?
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Statements like "Geno is a 2nd round talent in any other year" are just hater bullshit. It's a stretch to say that just as much as it's a stretch to say he's flawless.
I think it's interesting.

Interesting, because the word on the street is that none of these QB's are truly "First round talent". Interesting, that "No QB is worth 1.1", etc.

The Chiefs can take whomever they wish at 1.1, so I don't think they're pushing this propaganda.

So it'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.
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Interesting, because the word on the street is that none of these QB's are truly "First round talent". Interesting, that "No QB is worth 1.1", etc.
Apparently you haven't been to NFL Network street, because they have him going #1.
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