The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

[Frankie]

Scenario (hypothetical):

It has become obvious that the Chiefs will pass on a QB with the top pick and will address the QB need (a) later in round 1, (b) in round 2, or (c) by signing a veteran. No trade down is planned either.

There seems to be the following three names on top of the draft. Among these three which one would you want the Chiefs to use their 1st pick on:

1- LT Luke Joekel (meaning Albert will walk)

2- DE Star Lotulelei (meaning T-Jax will be cut)

3- Jarvis Jones (meaning we are thinking transition to 43 soon)

4- Other (name and explain)

KEEP IN MIND

This is not a Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson discussion. Keep that argument in the hundreds of other threads about it. This is about IF WE DON'T PICK A QB AT THE TOP! Just curious to know which of the picks mentioned makes more sense compared to the others IYO. If you are a staunch Geno fan, for example, this does not paint you as a traitor to the cause.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by munkey

I've stated this MANY times...he needs to blow up the combine..until then don't expect me to jump on the Geno wagon..as Andy said.. I good QB raises the play is his team mates...not a good record in college to indicate so...

I can't even imagine how bad the Patriot and Packer defenses would be if Brady and Rodgerfs hadn't raised the level of their play.

And that Pack O-Line...Ooooh crap.

[munkey]

Guys...I'm not trolling...if you only knew. QB drafts like last year only come along every 10-15 years...I expect the Chiefs to select the #1 overall athlete/player. I don't care who it is...but from all the reports I've seen and read it's NOT Geno Smith...you can say he's the best QB of this years draft but I don't think he's the best football player. History has shown you can find a great QB in the later rounds i.e. Tom Brady/Aaron Rogers...it's matter of coaching and I think we have one of the best in the business now...

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by SNR

Also, Albert isn't a HOF LT, but he's pretty good.

I'll ask again. Why has our offense struggled so ****ing much even though we've got our nice safe game manager QB and a ****ing RB who rivals Jim Brown's career YPC?

That should be a formula for playoffs every year. What gives?

I don't know why you're asking me this question.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by munkey

Guys...I'm not trolling...if you only knew. QB drafts like last year only come along every 10-15 years...I expect the Chiefs to select the #1 overall athlete/player. I don't care who it is...but from all the reports I've seen and read it's NOT Geno Smith...you can say he's the best QB of this years draft but I don't think he's the best football player. History has shown you can find a great QB in the later rounds i.e. Tom Brady/Aaron Rogers...it's matter of coaching and I think we have one of the best in the business now...

Rogers was a first round pick.

And name me one college football player in this draft that had as good a season or career as Geno Smith has had as three years as a starter. At any position.

The only guy who is close is Jarvis Jones, and he's not close.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by patteeu

This is the kind of question people who have no clue about talent ask because it then just becomes a simple question to answer based on generic positional importance. It's all just random luck so let's swing for a QB, the most important position of all.

People who do this professionally, actually assess the quality of the individual players before making a choice in the draft. If they assess the LT and the QB to be equally talented (with equal needs at the positions), they'll end up picking the QB just like you want. The only reason they would pick Joeckel ahead of a QB would be if they decided the quality differential was great.

Jake Long was so much greater at his position than Matt Ryan was at his.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by munkey

Guys...I'm not trolling...if you only knew. QB drafts like last year only come along every 10-15 years...I expect the Chiefs to select the #1 overall athlete/player. I don't care who it is...but from all the reports I've seen and read it's NOT Geno Smith...you can say he's the best QB of this years draft but I don't think he's the best football player. History has shown you can find a great QB in the later rounds i.e. Tom Brady/Aaron Rogers...it's matter of coaching and I think we have one of the best in the business now...

So, at the end of the day, you only want draft a QB if he's a sure thing.

The true fan mantra applied to the draft.

Play not to lose.

[munkey]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Rogers was a first round pick.

And name me one college football player in this draft that had as good a season or career as Geno Smith has had as three years as a starter. At any position.

The only guy who is close is Jarvis Jones, and he's not close.

Smith was picked ahead of Rogers...Jarvis Jones is a linebacker...your point is???

[munkey]

Originally Posted by milkman

So, at the end of the day, you only want draft a QB if he's a sure thing.

The true fan mantra applied to the draft.

Play not to lose.

No...I didn't say that..

[munkey]

Originally Posted by milkman

So, at the end of the day, you only want draft a QB if he's a sure thing.

The true fan mantra applied to the draft.

Play not to lose.

And for the number one pick...YES!! He should be a sure thing..

[-King-]

Originally Posted by munkey

Guys...I'm not trolling...if you only knew. QB drafts like last year only come along every 10-15 years...I expect the Chiefs to select the #1 overall athlete/player. I don't care who it is...but from all the reports I've seen and read it's NOT Geno Smith...you can say he's the best QB of this years draft but I don't think he's the best football player. History has shown you can find a great QB in the later rounds i.e. Tom Brady/Aaron Rogers...it's matter of coaching and I think we have one of the best in the business now...

You're more likely to find a great QB in the first round than all other rounds combined. History has shown that great late round QBs like Brady are the clear exceptions.
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[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by munkey

Smith was picked ahead of Rogers...Jarvis Jones is a linebacker...your point is???

You said the Chiefs would take the best player in the draft. I said that Geno Smith is that player based on college production and upside/ceiling at the next level. I said that no one else in this draft is close to Smith in terms of college production or upside, especially when you factor in the importance of the position he plays.

I said that the only guy in this draft that has produced as much as Smith, regardless of what position they play, is Jarvis Jones. And comparably, he doesn't come close to what Smith gave you for the 2012 or his career.

And I'd like your opinion on Geno's win loss record. He never had a losing season in three years as a starter. 29-13 career. Is that acceptable? You made a point of it earlier.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by munkey

Smith was picked ahead of Rogers...Jarvis Jones is a linebacker...your point is???

Do you remember the reason Smith was chosen over Rodgers by th 9ers?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by munkey

And for the number one pick...YES!! He should be a sure thing..

No player is.

Ever.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by munkey

No...I didn't say that..

That is exactly what you're saying.

And to your next post, there is no such thing as a sure thing, not even Luck.

There are only levels of risk.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No player is.

Ever.

John Elway was a sure thing. Peyton Manning was a sure thing. Ernie Accorsi felt that Eli Manning was a sure thing. Andrew Luck was a sure thing.