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Old 05-24-2013, 10:19 PM  
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Does welfare cause terrorism?

Mickey Kaus asks the question:
Does welfare cause terrorism?
Mickey Kaus
5/23/2013

How long before we find out that “alleged” Woolwich murderer Michael Adebolajo was on some kind of welfare? Or else his household was on welfare. The Tsarnaevs received various kinds of welfare too, of course, as have numerous other terrorists. This is not a coincidence:

“In fact, there’s a good argument that “welfare benefits + ethnic antagonism” is the universal recipe for an underclass with an angry, oppositional culture. The social logic is simple: Ethnic differences make it easy for those outside of, for example, French Arab neighborhoods to discriminate against those inside, and easy for those inside to resent the mainstream culture around them. Meanwhile, relatively generous welfare benefits enable those in the ethnic ghetto to stay there, stay unemployed, and seethe. Without government subsidies, they would have to overcome the prejudice against them and integrate into the mainstream working culture. Work, in this sense, is anti-terrorist medicine. (And if you work all day, there’s less time to dream up ways and reasons to kill infidels.)”

If Adebolajo turns out to have earned his own living, I’ll be surprised and chastened. Will post update in this space. …
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:26 PM   #2
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:33 PM   #3
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The payments to local mullahs and clerics during the surge would suggest precisely the opposite.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:42 PM   #4
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This is probably the worst hypothesis in the history of the internet.

List of countries with high rates of terrorism

Somalia
Pakistan
Iraq
Afghanistan
Palestinian Occupied Territory
Columbia
Thailand
Philippines
Yemen
Russia


List of countries with high rates of social spending:

Nation Welfare expenditure
(% of GDP)
omitting education Welfare expenditure
(% of GDP)
including education GDP per capita (PPP US$)[45]
Denmark 29.2 37.9 $37,700
Sweden 28.9 38.2 $41,700
France 28.5 34.9 $35,500
Germany 27.4 33.2 $39,100
Belgium 27.2 32.7 $38,100
Switzerland 26.4 31.6 $54,600
Austria 26.0 32.4 $42,400
Finland 24.8 32.3 $36,500
Netherlands 24.3 27.3 $42,300
Italy 24.4 28.6 $30,100
Greece 24.3 28.4 $25,100
Norway 23.9 33.2 $55,300
Poland 23.0 N/A $21,000
United Kingdom 21.8 25.9 $36,700
Portugal 21.1 25.5 $23,000
Luxembourg 20.8 N/A $53,780
Czech Republic 20.1 N/A $27,200
Hungary 20.1 N/A $19,800
Iceland 19.8 23.2 $39,400
Spain 19.6 25.3 $30,400
New Zealand 18.5 25.8 $28,800
Australia 18.0 22.5 $42,400
Slovakia 17.9 N/A $24,300
Canada 17.8 23.1 $41,500
Japan 16.9 18.6 $36,200
United States 14.8 19.4 $49,800
Republic of Ireland 13.8 18.5 $41,700
Mexico 11.8 N/A $15,300
South Korea 6.1 11.0 $32,400
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:44 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
The payments to local mullahs and clerics during the surge would suggest precisely the opposite.
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This is probably the worst hypothesis in the history of the internet.

List of countries with high rates of terrorism

Somalia
Pakistan
Iraq
Afghanistan
Palestinian Occupied Territory
Columbia
Thailand
Philippines
Yemen
Russia


List of countries with high rates of social spending:

Nation Welfare expenditure
(% of GDP)
omitting education Welfare expenditure
(% of GDP)
including education GDP per capita (PPP US$)[45]
Denmark 29.2 37.9 $37,700
Sweden 28.9 38.2 $41,700
France 28.5 34.9 $35,500
Germany 27.4 33.2 $39,100
Belgium 27.2 32.7 $38,100
Switzerland 26.4 31.6 $54,600
Austria 26.0 32.4 $42,400
Finland 24.8 32.3 $36,500
Netherlands 24.3 27.3 $42,300
Italy 24.4 28.6 $30,100
Greece 24.3 28.4 $25,100
Norway 23.9 33.2 $55,300
Poland 23.0 N/A $21,000
United Kingdom 21.8 25.9 $36,700
Portugal 21.1 25.5 $23,000
Luxembourg 20.8 N/A $53,780
Czech Republic 20.1 N/A $27,200
Hungary 20.1 N/A $19,800
Iceland 19.8 23.2 $39,400
Spain 19.6 25.3 $30,400
New Zealand 18.5 25.8 $28,800
Australia 18.0 22.5 $42,400
Slovakia 17.9 N/A $24,300
Canada 17.8 23.1 $41,500
Japan 16.9 18.6 $36,200
United States 14.8 19.4 $49,800
Republic of Ireland 13.8 18.5 $41,700
Mexico 11.8 N/A $15,300
South Korea 6.1 11.0 $32,400
It was really a short post. It's a shame neither of you bothered to read it.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:46 PM   #6
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It was really a short post. It's a shame neither of you bothered to read it.
It was short on words and absent of any logic or insight.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:47 PM   #7
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It was short on words and absent of any logic or insight.
Your response was a non sequitur.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:49 PM   #8
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It was really a short post. It's a shame neither of you bothered to read it.
I read it. Not buying anecdotal ideologically motivated pen poop without some kind of statistical sample size.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:53 PM   #9
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Your response was a non sequitur.
It was not. There are thousands of examples of individuals who commit terrorist acts for financial gain, often minimal gain.
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Old 05-25-2013, 12:05 AM   #10
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It was really a short post. It's a shame neither of you bothered to read it.
Their political biases are preventing them from reading with comprehension.

You're just wasting keystrokes.
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Old 05-25-2013, 02:36 AM   #11
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Jihadists come from different backgrounds. Many are well educated. Some well off. The failed Christmas day airline bomber comes from one of the wealthiest families in Nigeria. For people in poor countries where jobs are scarce, money makes them vulnerable to join terrorist organizations.

North African states, such as Somalia, force people to join. Moreover, most have a strong belief in their cause - which varies from time to time.

Some jihadists are deeply religious and believe in strict Islamic (Sharia) law derived from the Quran - Islam is not only a religion, it is a way of life.

Sharia varies from country to country - Saudi Arabia and Oman are the only Arab countries that follow Sharia as the law of the country - However, they added a number of legislations, where no legislations exist.

In other Arab countries Sharia plays a lesser role - Islamic extremists believe it is their religious duty to wage a holy war based on rules of the Quran.

According to a study at West Point, terrorists often join groups because they have friends that do so.
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:15 AM   #12
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I read it. Not buying anecdotal ideologically motivated pen poop without some kind of statistical sample size.
You read it, but then you responded with a pile of data that had nothing to do with the theory being presented? And now you pose as the guy taking the intellectual high road? Please.
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:18 AM   #13
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It was not. There are thousands of examples of individuals who commit terrorist acts for financial gain, often minimal gain.
What are you talking about? How does that relate to this thread?
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:24 AM   #14
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Their political biases are preventing them from reading with comprehension.

You're just wasting keystrokes.
I'm confident you're right. I can remember when cdcox used to claim to be some kind of conservative (specifically in the context of writing an apology for global warming science). Nowadays, when I see that he's posted in a political thread like this, I anticipate a left-biased knee jerk response and he certainly didn't disappoint here.
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Mickey Kaus asks the question:
Does welfare cause terrorism?
Mickey Kaus
5/23/2013

How long before we find out that “alleged” Woolwich murderer Michael Adebolajo was on some kind of welfare? Or else his household was on welfare. The Tsarnaevs received various kinds of welfare too, of course, as have numerous other terrorists. This is not a coincidence:

“In fact, there’s a good argument that “welfare benefits + ethnic antagonism” is the universal recipe for an underclass with an angry, oppositional culture. The social logic is simple: Ethnic differences make it easy for those outside of, for example, French Arab neighborhoods to discriminate against those inside, and easy for those inside to resent the mainstream culture around them. Meanwhile, relatively generous welfare benefits enable those in the ethnic ghetto to stay there, stay unemployed, and seethe. Without government subsidies, they would have to overcome the prejudice against them and integrate into the mainstream working culture. Work, in this sense, is anti-terrorist medicine. (And if you work all day, there’s less time to dream up ways and reasons to kill infidels.)”

If Adebolajo turns out to have earned his own living, I’ll be surprised and chastened. Will post update in this space. …
The welfare state does in fact create a dysfunctional, alienated underclass, and the potential for the sociopaths raised in such an environment to engage in violence has always been present. Lately, however, it's really taken off during the age of Hopey Change.
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