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View Poll Results: Would you support the proposed legislation in the OP?
Yes 3 8.11%
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:24 AM  
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Gun thread... need the wise & well though out opinions of the people of DC

I would like to know if you would support the following law being enacted.

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All guns are required to be secured when not in use. This can be done via safe, trigger lock, or a slide lock. This measure is simple gun owner responsibility, will reduce the chances of a gun being in the wrong hands, and does not infringe on the 2nd amendment at all. While the 2nd gives us all the right to own a gun it does not, unfortunately, grant the mental capacity to use it in a responsible manner.

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Felony - If an unsecured weapon is used in the commission of a crime by a felon or a person of known mental defect. Forfeiture of all weapons, ammunition, and accessories (loading supplies and equipment, safes, sights, ect) to be sold at public auction. All proceeds from the auction will go towards (Something).

Misdemeanor - If a weapon is found to be unsecured but not used in a crime. Fine and possible jail time. Mandatory gun safety course and probation.

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Old 02-07-2013, 11:07 AM   #31
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And good job pr for finding an interesting take that actually strives to appease both sides of this issue.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:12 AM   #32
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And good job pr for finding an interesting take that actually strives to appease both sides of this issue.
Thank you. That is exactly what I was striving for. Some sort of middle ground that both sides could give on. Didn't go over well judging by the poll results. lol
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:12 AM   #33
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:16 AM   #34
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There's a thing called common sense.

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Old 02-07-2013, 11:21 AM   #35
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Just because its called common sense doesn't mean its common to everybody!
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:26 AM   #36
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/guy who thinks the grieving parents at Sandy Hook were actors and that some of the "dead" kids met with Obama the next day.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:05 PM   #37
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I'm saying if your kid has a friend over who gets all shitty on your booze, then drives away and kill someone in a car accident, YOU can be held liable because you did not secure your booze. Just like a bar not cutting someone off at the right time can be held liable for letting the guy drive drunk.
No, that's a completely different thing. You're talking about someone filing a civil suit for something like negligence. That's one person vs. another person. Which is different than criminal liability, which is a government entity vs. a person. Very different things.

What the OP is proposing would be criminal penalties, enforced by the government. Not a civil matter.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:07 PM   #38
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Just because its called common sense doesn't mean its common to everybody!
Isn't that the truth.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:25 PM   #39
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No, that's a completely different thing. You're talking about someone filing a civil suit for something like negligence. That's one person vs. another person. Which is different than criminal liability, which is a government entity vs. a person. Very different things.

What the OP is proposing would be criminal penalties, enforced by the government. Not a civil matter.
Hmm. I really thought that could be criminal negligence, but I'll defer to you on that. In that case I agree, they are not the same thing.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:43 PM   #40
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Have gun training before buying a gun and have to show proof of said training before purchase of a gun.
This is already the case if you want to conceal a weapon legally in most states.

Again, people want to restrict the majority because of a minority of people that don't follow laws to begin with...
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:50 PM   #41
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And good job pr for finding an interesting take that actually strives to appease both sides of this issue.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:51 PM   #42
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This is already the case if you want to conceal a weapon legally in most states.

Again, people want to restrict the majority because of a minority of people that don't follow laws to begin with...
True but you donít have to have a CCW permit to buy a gun. You can actually do that with nothing more than a valid driverís license and a clean record.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:54 PM   #43
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True but you donít have to have a CCW permit to buy a gun. You can actually do that with nothing more than a valid driverís license and a clean record.
Agreed, however to legally carry it in public you do. Otherwise we're talking about two kinds of people. The kind that keep it in their home, so who gives a shit...and the second kind are people that don't follow the gun laws to begin with...so...whom is being impacted here under the proposed rule?

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No you don't, however to legally carry it in public you do. Otherwise we're talking about two kinds of people. The kind that keep it in their home, so who gives a shit...and the second kind are people that don't follow the gun laws to begin with...so...whom is being impacted here under the proposed rule?
You have the right to transport your gun, otherwise it would be illegal to hunt or go to the range. Iím not clear on open carry and it varies enough from state to state that I wonít comment further on that.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:11 PM   #45
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You have the right to transport your gun, otherwise it would be illegal to hunt or go to the range. Iím not clear on open carry and it varies enough from state to state that I wonít comment further on that.
You are correct open carry, conceal laws, and registration just in general vary from state-to-state.
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