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Old 02-04-2013, 10:04 PM  
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Patreus & Clinton pushed for US intervention in Syria. Obama nixed it.

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Michael R. Gordon and Mark Landler of the New York Times broke the story on Saturday that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had gotten then CIA director David Petraeus’s agreement to a plan to arm, train and support America-friendly revolutionaries in Syria. The plan was scotched by President Obama on the grounds that it could spin out of control and draw the US into an intervention in Syria. Obama was also allegedly worried that a covert operation like that could go bad very publicly and might have a negative impact on his presidential campaign.

I think we now have a concrete difference between what an Obama presidency looks like and what a Hillary Clinton presidency would have looked like. Obama doesn’t like interventions of choice on the ground, and wants the US out of its Middle Eastern land wars. He was happy enough to get out of Iraq altogether. He will be wholly or for the most part out of Afghanistan in a couple of years. His intervention in Libya was forced on him by UK PM David Cameron and former French president Nicolas Sarkozy, and it remained a purely from-the-air affair, with no US military engagement in the country after the fall of dictator Muammar Qaddafi. Obama’s main form of foreign policy interventionism is a) sanctions (e.g. Iran) and b) drones, as in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. These two techniques may appeal to ground-war-averse Obama as a way of avoiding sending in the infantry, though I suspect Washington underestimates the danger that these two tactics can themselves spiral out of control and lead to military engagement.

Clinton pushed hard for the Libya intervention, and apparently she wanted to be much more hands-on with regard to Syria than Obama would let her. And, although the consideration of the electoral campaign has passed, the fear of being drawn into a quagmire has not. This revelation of the NYT underlines my argument on a recent edition of “Empire” on Aljazeera English that the US really has no on-the-ground, practical Syria policy, and that rumors of US covert action in Syria have been much exaggerated. (The US does say al-Assad should go and has worked with the revolutionaries on the political side.)
I gotta say the right call was made by Obama here.

Hard to say what exactly the United States can do. Arming the Syrian resistance would only seem to justify even more brutal force by the Assad regime. Any boots-on-the-ground must be UN boots-on-the-ground. And it's not immediately apparent what can be gained there.

I think at this point, increasing pressure on the Syrian military through Russia is our key to freedom here. If Russia can apply pressure to the military, they will supplant Assad with a Libyan type power structure, one hopes.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:45 PM   #2
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:11 AM   #3
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I gotta say the right call was made by Obama here.
Of course you do

For what it's worth, I think we should just completely abandon that whole God forsaken area, INCLUDING Israel.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:23 AM   #4
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For what it's worth, I think we should just completely abandon that whole God forsaken area, INCLUDING Israel.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:15 AM   #5
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For what it's worth, I think we should just completely abandon that whole God forsaken area, INCLUDING Israel.
That would be a dream come true.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:20 AM   #6
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That would be a dream come true.
I'm sick of the lives, money, and time wasted on this area that isn't at all interested in living peacefully with one another.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:21 AM   #7
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I'm sick of the lives, money, and time wasted on this area that isn't at all interested in living peacefully with one another.
...but then the terroists would win.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:09 AM   #8
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...but then the terroists would win.
ok cool, they win, whatever
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i know it was sarcasm....but people actually say that and I really don't care who "wins" or "loses" - the bottom line is WE lose every time
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:49 AM   #13
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Why, exactly, would Russia have interest in being our proxy in this matter?
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:53 AM   #14
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Why, exactly, would Russia have interest in being our proxy in this matter?
Russia makes bank off Syria.
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