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Old 02-04-2013, 08:54 AM  
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The blatant hold on the safety play in SB...

The rusher literally got piggyback bear-hugged. Why wasn't it called?

Now, I get that even if they had called it, the play would have resulted in a safety anyways, but it was obvious that they intended to hold to allow the punter to use as much time as possible. They have rules to prevent teams from taking a penalty in order to save time, shouldn't there be a rule to prevent teams from playing illegally to kill more time?


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Old 02-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #16
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It would have resulted in more time on the clock, I believe. Which was, after all, the point of the play.
What? A holding call wouldn't have resulted in more time on the clock. They never put back time on the clock at anytime.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #17
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Teams shouldn't be allowed to hold in order to burn more time off the clock.
Plays don't get blown dead for holding calls. Maybe they should be in a situation like that, but the play still would have gone to its conclusion even if a flag was thrown.

On the other hand, though, what if the punter tripped over his own feet and fumbled and the refs had whistled it dead?
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #18
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It would have resulted in more time on the clock, I believe. Which was, after all, the point of the play.
The play doesn't stop with the hold. The play stops when the player is down.

Holding calls are enforced after the play, therefore the time left on the clock would not have been affected.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #19
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I agree that, normally, that should have been called. However, the refs in that game were clearly trying to let the players play and get out of the way, which I like. There were other similar no-calls earlier in the game, so I'm OK with that one not being called.

(And I was rooting for the 9ers for the record.)
Holding in the end zone is a safety. Since they ended up taking the safety, I think the only thing that would have changed is adding a few seconds that they missed a chance at a possible hail mary.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:14 AM   #20
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I was more gassed by the Baltimore player taking a swing at the ref after the melee in the first half, no flag and no ejection.
Cary Williams. Dude should have been ejected immediately. That was bullshit.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:17 AM   #21
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Plays don't get blown dead for holding calls. Maybe they should be in a situation like that, but the play still would have gone to its conclusion even if a flag was thrown.

On the other hand, though, what if the punter tripped over his own feet and fumbled and the refs had whistled it dead?
The play shouldn't be blown dead. Let the play run, but when the flag is thrown the opposing team gets the choice to decline, or take the penalty and put the time back on the clock.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:18 AM   #22
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Yup. That is one of the great things about playoffs and Super Bowl. The hits are a bit harder and players are allowed to play.
There was an obvious conscious decision by the umpiring crew to just let the players play. The hit on Flacco will be called 99% of the time. A lot of contact between cornerbacks and receivers on both sides all game.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:19 AM   #23
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There was an obvious conscious decision by the umpiring crew to jsut let the players play. The hit on Flacco will be called 99% of the time. A lot of contact between cornerbacks and receivers on both sides all game.
They didn't follow that decision throughout the entire game.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:19 AM   #24
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Cary Williams. Dude should have been ejected immediately. That was bullshit.
It was obvious he wasn't targeting the ref. he got up and lashed out, the ref just happened to be in the way.

Sure, by the letter of the law, he should have been ejected. But I kind like the way the game was officiated "fast and loose".
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:19 AM   #25
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The play doesn't stop with the hold. The play stops when the player is down.

Holding calls are enforced after the play, therefore the time left on the clock would not have been affected.
Well, never mind then. I thought that since a penalty effectively "wipes out" a play, the time the play used would not count.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:21 AM   #26
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It was obvious he wasn't targeting the ref. he got up and lashed out, the ref just happened to be in the way.

Sure, by the letter of the law, he should have been ejected. But I kind like the way the game was officiated "fast and loose".
I wanted the 49'ers to win.

That said it's the SB.

And they got away with a TON of holding calls. In fact, I don't remember one being called...
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:23 AM   #27
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It was obvious he wasn't targeting the ref. he got up and lashed out, the ref just happened to be in the way.

Sure, by the letter of the law, he should have been ejected. But I kind like the way the game was officiated "fast and loose".
So what was his explanation for continuing to scream at the ref and follow him around for?

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Old 02-04-2013, 09:28 AM   #28
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So what was his explanation for continuing to scream at the ref and follow him around for?
Cary Williams didn’t know he shoved ref, calls 49ers “dirty”
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Ravens cornerback Cary Williams called shoving a ref “a reaction,” and said he didn’t know who he was moving out of the pile during the second quarter fight that would have drawn more attention if it wasn’t followed by a brownout.

But he also called the 49ers “a little dirty,” and said his helmet was “kicked off.”

After Ed Reed’s interception triggered an altercation (“brawl” seems excessive, perhaps “melee” fits better) Williams clearly shoved an official with two hands, and could have been ejected on the spot.

“It was a situation where I didn’t see who the heck I pushed,” Williams said, via Lindsay Jones of USA Today. Those guys kicked my helmet off, took my helmet off man, it’s just a part of the process. Whatever.

“It’s a reaction. You see teammates out there getting hit late, guys pulling guys after the whistle. My helmet came off, I couldn’t barely see, and I just reacted. It is what it is.”

Williams correctly assessed that the fight was the result of nearly a half of chippy play that went unchecked, and was eventually going to boil over because game officials didn’t have control of the proceedings.

“The offensive line trying to be tough. Be tough between the whistles man. Don’t pull that crap after the damn whistle, man. I mean, I just felt like those guys were a little dirty. The refs should have thrown flags on them early on them in the game to stop that junk,” Williams said. “Sometimes you’ve got to retaliate, sometimes you have to show people we aren’t going to be pushed around. We do this. That’s been part of the Ravens defense for years, to show toughness, but we do it between the whistles.”

He was fortunate he was able to do it at all in the second half, as he should have been sitting in the dark with the fans watching.
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Wow, 29 is going to get his ass destroyed by the NFL.


He went after an official?
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You cannot put your hands on an official.

I'll bet he gets a big ass fine. Bigger than the half time show ass.


The perfect ending for this game would have been for Frank Gore to blow over Ray Lewis for the winning TD.
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