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Old 02-03-2013, 06:01 AM  
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Sapp is in the HOF and Strahan isn't?

I don't see it
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:18 AM   #31
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Regardless, the SB win doesn't make Sapp a better DT than John Randle.
He was a better DT, that is what makes him the better DT.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:33 AM   #32
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He was a better DT, that is what makes him the better DT.
50% more times being named first-team All-Pro and 42% more sacks says Randle was better.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:34 AM   #33
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:38 AM   #34
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50% more times being named first-team All-Pro and 42% more sacks says Randle was better.
In that defense Sapp's first duty was to take on double teams, and shut the door on the QB stepping up into the pocket. He got a lot of other guys plenty of sacks. Sapp was also a member of a superbowl defense AND in 1999 one of the best defenses of all time.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:39 AM   #35
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No question Randle was better than Sapp.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:41 AM   #36
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Yeah I can see Sapp getting in over him for now. They're both great players. Strahan will get in eventually. Same with Shields and Ogden. Both great players. Shields will get in someday. Still though....14 seasons and never missing a game? Dude was a monster.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:43 AM   #37
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No question Randle was better than Sapp.
Well.. you never watched either play. So, I guess your opinion counts.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:02 PM   #38
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In that defense Sapp's first duty was to take on double teams, and shut the door on the QB stepping up into the pocket. He got a lot of other guys plenty of sacks. Sapp was also a member of a superbowl defense AND in 1999 one of the best defenses of all time.
The role of Sapp in the Tampa 2 as the under tackle was to shoot the gap between the LG and LT penetrate and disrupt. He's an attacker, not a target. Yes, he'll be double teamed on many plays, but his job isn't to just tie up those blockers, it is to penetrate and disrupt the play. It's as much his job to put pressure on the QB as any other DL. He is second all time in sacks among DTs since those records have been collected. He was a great DT. But John Randle was even more disruptive.

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Old 02-03-2013, 12:07 PM   #39
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The role of Sapp in the Tampa 2 as the under tackle was to shoot the gap between the LG and LT penetrate and disrupt. He's an attacker, not a target. Yes, he'll be double teamed on many plays, but his job isn't to just tie up those blockers, it is to penetrate and disrupt the play. It's as much his job to put pressure on the QB as any other DL. He is second all time in sacks among DTs since those records have been collected. He was a great DT. But John Randle was even more disruptive.

Team achievements shouldn't enter into this argument.
I know what his role was on the defense. He played his role just as effective as Randle played his role. I am saying they are equal.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:10 PM   #40
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The role of Sapp in the Tampa 2 as the under tackle was to shoot the gap between the LG and LT penetrate and disrupt. He's an attacker, not a target. Yes, he'll be double teamed on many plays, but his job isn't to just tie up those blockers, it is to penetrate and disrupt the play. It's as much his job to put pressure on the QB as any other DL. He is second all time in sacks among DTs since those records have been collected. He was a great DT. But John Randle was even more disruptive.

Team achievements shouldn't enter into this argument.
I disagree, Sapp made the plays when his team needed them in an NFC Championship game, Sure Randle had a kicker miss a FG, but he still didn't make those plays in that game.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:14 PM   #41
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You left out that pesky superbowl win.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:16 PM   #42
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:22 PM   #43
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50% more times being named first-team All-Pro and 42% more sacks says Randle was better.
There's more to the game than sacks. Randle was moved around the line based on matchup, which made it easier to pile up sack numbers. And he was an okay run defender whereas Sapp was outstanding.

In the prime of their careers, Sapp was probably a better player than Randle. The only reason you can say Randle was better was that his peak lasted longer (Sapp's career would have been a lot better if he stuck with Tampa instead of wasting away in Oakland to end his career)
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:37 PM   #44
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Sapp was a beast, he's deserving. But probably not over Strahan. I don't get it either.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:38 PM   #45
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Regardless, the SB win doesn't make Sapp a better DT than John Randle.
I loved John Randle. That's the kind of guy you did NOT want to play against.
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