Sapp is in the HOF and Strahan isn't?

[R8ers]

I don't see it

[CoMoChief]

Neither does anyone else.

[CoMoChief]

But you have idiots like Peter King making these decisions so........????

[R8ers]

Strahan, one of the best personalities to ever play the game vs Sapp, a blowhard

[R8ers]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

But you have idiots like Peter King making these decisions so........????

You have a point

[PGM]

Selections are made by hacks posing as "talented sportswriters"

[TribalElder]

Bob Gretz voted for what now ?

[Buzz_TinBalls]

Warren Sapp revolutionized the 3 tech and has better teeth. Strahan will have his day. after he gets braces.

[theelusiveeightrop]

Peter King, journalist.

[BoneKrusher]

i would have voted for Strahan, just sayin'.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by R8ers

Strahan, one of the best personalities to ever play the game vs Sapp, a blowhard

Personality should have little bearing on a hall of fame berth. Sapp was the best Defensive Tackle of our generation and it wasn't even close. Strahan had a few dominating seasons, but he also had plenty of good not dominant seasons. Sapp was consistently dominant.

I don't really understand the debate.

[Brainiac]

I can't help but wonder if Strahan lost some votes because Brett Favre is a ****ing idiot. The record-breaking sack was bullshit. I always thought the NFL should have fined Favre for laying down like that, and they should have removed that sack from Strahan's statistics.



The headline from this article may have been prophetic.

ON PRO FOOTBALL; Cheap Sack Will Cost Favre and Strahan
By Mike Freeman
Published: January 07, 2002

When Giants defensive end Michael Strahan broke the N.F.L. sack record yesterday, there was not a player who deserved it more. That is what Green Bay quarterback Brett Favre, the man Strahan sacked to bring his total to 22 1/2, said after the Packers' 34-25 victory.

And Favre, a close friend of Strahan's, is right. Strahan is one of the hardest-working, classiest people the sport has seen in some time. But the next time Strahan sees Favre at a golf tournament, or they're having a beer, Strahan should slap his good friend silly.

Yes, Mr. Favre, Strahan deserves the record, but please, handing it to him the way you did, as if you were throwing change into a Salvation Army bucket, is the kind of mistake Favre may never live down.

It is not the Chicago Black Sox, or Nancy-Tonya, but it is u-g-l-y.

What the heck was Favre thinking?

Strahan broke the record set by Mark Gastineau, the former Jet, because of a gift from Favre with less than three minutes remaining in the game. Green Bay Coach Mike Sherman, with his team comfortably ahead, called for a running play to Ahman Green. Favre changed it, without telling his offensive line, to something called a key play, meaning Favre is to fake a handoff to a back and then run the opposite way, in this instance, toward Strahan's left defensive end spot.

Since the linemen thought Favre was handing off, they did not pass protect, and Strahan was free. He steamrolled right into Favre for a 7-yard sack. It went just as Favre had planned it.

Until that point, Strahan had no sacks, three quarterback hurries and two quarterback hits. He was not going to get the record.

There is no question that Favre knew this, so he changed the play so Strahan could get the sack. ''Strahan can get sacks on his own,'' Sherman said, stressing that the original call was for a handoff. ''We don't have to give it to him.''

Sherman was clearly irritated. Favre had committed a basic sin in football: nothing is free. When Lawrence Taylor was in the same position in 1986 -- facing Green Bay, just a sack and a half behind Gastineau -- did the Packers' quarterback then do a little fixer-upper so Taylor could get it? No. Taylor was shut out.

When asked about the sack, Packers center Mike Flanagan, also irritated about Strahan's gift, said: ''That's not something I'm talking about. Go ask Brett.'' Other offensive linemen were equally bothered.

Favre denied he gave his friend the sack, but he could barely do it with a straight face.

''We wanted to win the football game,'' Favre said. ''If a sack happens, great. But when we leave today, we wanted to leave here as a winner.''

Favre is missing the moon-sized point. By tanking it, he hurt his friend Strahan more than he helped him, because now, that is what the talk is about, not what Strahan did. It cheapens the record -- not a lot, but enough.

It would have been better for Strahan not to get the record than to get it the way he did.

Sport is a place for answers. You may not like them, but they are usually concrete. And records are part of that. They are supposed to be blemish free, honest and clear, everything that life is not. We may not know if our plane will land at its destination or if the economy will sour like a rotten apple, but we do know what we see on the field is real.

Strahan is happy to hold the sack record, and that is understandable. It has stood for 17 years, and he has worked extremely hard to get to this point. If he continues on this path, he will sack his way into the Hall of Fame.

And Strahan plays the most brutal position in a brutal game, where players are routinely kicked in the groin, gouged in the face, punched in the stomach, spat on and bitten. Things have been done to Strahan that dogs don't do to each other.

Some will maintain, who cares if Favre gave him the record? Just by virtue of playing nine rough years in the league, for him to get that close, he deserves it anyway.

And this is not to blame Strahan. He simply took advantage of what Favre did. Strahan said that if Favre did throw him the high, slow curveball: ''I was not in the huddle calling the plays. I can just react to what happened.''

Favre hugged Strahan after the sack, and even some Packers players -- not on offense, mind you -- applauded Strahan. There isn't a player in football who dislikes the defensive star. He's that good a guy.

But Favre, in the end, didn't do Strahan, or himself, any favors.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

I can't help but wonder if Strahan lost some votes because Brett Favre is a ****ing idiot. The record-breaking sack was bullshit. I always thought the NFL should have fined Favre for laying down like that, and they should have removed that sack from Strahan's statistics.



The headline from this article may have been prophetic.



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There's truth to this. Not that he would be blackballed for it, but let's face it, the only reason people are talking about him being in the hall of fame at the first crack is because of this record-breaking season. The NFL hall of fame is incredibly difficult to get into. I'm just saying... for defensive ends, 10 sacks is pretty much a standard. Do people realize that Strahan had less than 10 sacks in 9 out of 15 seasons? He'll get in eventually, but the idea that he got snubbed... I don't buy that.

[mikey23545]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i would have voted for Strahan, just sayin'.

Nice rhymin', Simon...

[Al Bundy]

R8tard and Trollmo agreeing.. now I KNOW I am right in believing Sapp deserved to get in. Best player at his position by a long ways for about a 6 year stretch.