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Old 02-02-2013, 06:00 PM  
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RGIII.

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Old 02-03-2013, 10:43 AM   #76
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The AFC is terrible. If you give any team the Seahawks defense, they are an instant contender. You add in Marshawn Lynch and a QB who had a penchant for coming up big when his team absolutely needed it, that's more than enough to win the conference.

Really, that's pretty much what Baltimore did.
not quite sure how this makes a case for Andrew Luck

I think Luck is/will be fantastic.

He wasn't on Wilson's level this year IMO.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:44 AM   #77
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Aren't these awards based solely on regular season production?
They are. Which is why I have no problem voting RGIII. I actually might have made the same vote. But people are kind of oblivious to what kind of year Luck had considering what he was asked to do offensively. Rookie QB's who come in and are asked to actually carry an offense usually have terrible numbers. Peyton Manning threw 28 INT his rookie year. Some of these arguments in here would contend he wasn't that great.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:51 AM   #78
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People basically discount Luck just because:

A) His completion percentage was low
B) His turnovers were slightly high (though completely understandable given his rookie status and terrible supporting cast)
C) Lack of media promotion.

It's garbage.

More wins. More stats. A lot less support.

**** the gold toof dawgs. If they had played in Indy that's a 7-9 team.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:54 AM   #79
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People basically discount Luck just because:

A) His completion percentage was low
B) His turnovers were slightly high (though completely understandable given his rookie status and terrible supporting cast)
C) Lack of media promotion.

It's garbage.

More wins. More stats. A lot less support.

**** the gold toof dawgs. If they had played in Indy that's a 7-9 team.
C is total bull.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:02 AM   #80
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They are. Which is why I have no problem voting RGIII. I actually might have made the same vote. But people are kind of oblivious to what kind of year Luck had considering what he was asked to do offensively. Rookie QB's who come in and are asked to actually carry an offense usually have terrible numbers. Peyton Manning threw 28 INT his rookie year. Some of these arguments in here would contend he wasn't that great.
The NFL and even the college game has dramatically changed since Peyton Manning was a rookie. The comparisons are absurd. Luck had a good rookie year but he wasn't sensational despite what you're trying to make us believe.

He won a ton of games on the final drive. So did Tebow in 2011. He was often mediocre and their 11 wins were a complete aberration.

Luck may very well end up being the best QB ever...he certainly has all the talent.

But he simply was no Russell Wilson this year...especially down the stretch.
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Yeah but he didn't just do it on game winning drives. He threw for more yards than any rookie QB, ever. He threw for more 300 yard games than any rookie ever. In fact he had 6, I believe the previous record was 4 by Manning. Russell Wilson did not have a single 300 yard game in the regular season. He averaged less yards passing/game than Matt Cassel.

The game has changed but that doesn't mean what Luck did isn't amazing. Even Tannehill finished with more INT than TD. Rookie QB's asked to run a pass first offense usually don't do what Luck did. Stafford completed 53% of his passes his rookie year. Peyton completed 56%. Eli 48%. People shouldn't be holding his completion percentage against him.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:12 AM   #82
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it's like you didn't watch Seahawks games
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it's like you didn't watch Seahawks games
And we've come back around to this again. The argument of the weak and defeated.
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stats are so meaningless it sickens me...

Show me a game this year where Luck passed the eye test the way Wilson did in the 2nd half against the Falcons...

Wilson was nails every week after the San Fran debacle early in the year.

Say what you want but if you watched you'd know...Wilson MADE that running game what it was. Just like Kaepernick and RGIII run their read options...it just grossly inflates the rushing numbers and to try and give Marshawn Lynch more credit than Wilson is ludicrous.

Lynch has been an average back his entire career. He's not elite. Seattle was an average team last year. Yes, they have a great defense. I agree. Indianapolis does not.

But Russell Wilson was a damn force to be reckoned with down the stretch. He had them rolling on all cylinders to the point where EVERYONE was picking Seattle as their "dark horse" and Colin Cowherd had them #3 overall in his power rankings.

You're a Chiefs fan. I couldn't have been anymore unimpressed with Andrew Luck when they played KC. He was, quite simply, AWFUL. Like...terrible. He missed the easiest TD throw to a wide open receiver in the end zone I've ever seen. Cassel wouldn't have missed that throw. And he overthrew it by 15 yards.

In today's NFL I honestly don't care about all of the stats he amassed and all of the game winning drives he had...that's impressive. I agree. I don't understand why defenses go into a prevent at the end of games like that and basically allow it to happen like we saw with Tebow in '11. But I can't take that away from him and I can't take away all of those yards he passed for...

but at the end of the day...if you want to play the stats game I don't see how you can't include all of those turnovers and that abysmal QB rating...

He was just mediocre this year. Great for a rookie, I agree. Mediocre as an NFL starting QB.

Russell Wilson was not. He was good the last 3/4 of the year by any standard...and great the last month and a half. Great.

Most amazing postseason loss I've seen in my life.

I would not take Luck over Russell Wilson if I could choose between the two. Call me silly.

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Yeah but he didn't just do it on game winning drives. He threw for more yards than any rookie QB, ever.
But he doesn't scramble and look cool!
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If we're projecting careers based on one season, and based on the history of QBs in this league...Andrew Luck is WAY ahead of the curve.
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And we've come back around to this again. The argument of the weak and defeated.
Nah, I was busy typing my rebuttal to this ridiculous notion that Luck had a better rookie year than Wilson.

He was inferior in the regular season and he was INFERIOR (to the nth degree) in the postseason.
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C is total bull.
Disagree. RGIII was hyped constantly by the networks like he's already a lock for the HOF.

Luck took a backseat.
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Nah, I was busy typing my rebuttal to this ridiculous notion that Luck had a better rookie year than Wilson.
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Oh yeah.

More yards. More wins. More TDs.

RIDICULOUS
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What did Russell Wilson do better than Andrew Luck besides run around more?

Have a hotter girlfriend?

Be shorter?
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