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Survey: Pysicians reducing their hours/access

Comprehensive Survey of 13,575 U.S. Physicians Points Toward Substantial Challenges

Research Commissioned by The Physicians Foundation Also Examines Physician Morale and Perspectives on Current / Future State of U.S. Healthcare System

Boston, MA, September 24, 2012— American patients are likely to experience significant and increasing challenges in accessing care if current physician practice patterns trends continue, according to a comprehensive new survey of practicing physicians. One of the largest physician surveys ever undertaken in the U.S., the research was commissioned by The Physicians Foundation, a nonprofit organization that seeks to advance the work of practicing physicians and help facilitate the delivery of healthcare to patients.

Physicians are working fewer hours, seeing fewer patients and limiting access to their practices in light of significant changes to the medical practice environment, according to the research, titled “A Survey of America’s Physicians: Practice Patterns and Perspectives.” The research estimates that if these patterns continue, 44,250 full-time-equivalent (FTE) physicians will be lost from the workforce in the next four years. The survey also found that over the next one to three years, more than 50 percent of physicians will cut back on patients seen, work part-time, switch to concierge medicine, retire, or take other steps likely to reduce patient access. In addition, should 100,000 physicians transition from practice-owner to employed status over the next four years (such as working in a hospital setting), the survey indicates that this will lead to 91 million fewer patient encounters.

“It is clear that the introduction of nearly 30 million new patients into the U.S. healthcare system through healthcare reform, added to the already growing physician shortage, will have profound implications for patient access to medical care,” said Walker Ray, M.D., vice president of The Physicians Foundation and chair of its Research Committee. “The rate of private practice physicians leaving the medical field, as well as changes in practice patterns that reduce the number of hours spent seeing and treating patients, is alarming. When these lost hours are added up, we get a much fuller and more ominous picture of the kind of access crisis that patients may soon face.”

More than half of physicians (52 percent) have limited the access of Medicare patients to their practices or are planning to do so, while one out of four physicians (26 percent) have already closed their practices altogether to Medicaid patients, the survey shows. Physicians cited rising operating costs, time constraints and diminishing reimbursement as the primary reasons why they are unable to accept additional Medicare and Medicaid patients.

The survey, fielded online from late March to early June 2012 by Merritt Hawkins for The Physicians Foundation, is based on responses from 13,575 physicians across the U.S. The overall margin of error (MOE) for the entire survey is (μ ± 0.998 percent), which indicates a “low to very low” sampling error for a survey designed to draw opinions and beliefs from a large population. Generally, an overall MOE at 99 percent confidence is considered highly trustworthy at +/- 2 percent or less, and all questions within the survey met this criterion.


Physician Morale

An overwhelming 80 percent of physicians cited “patient relationships” as the No. 1 most satisfying part of their job. Yet the survey also found an overwhelming majority of physicians, 77 percent, are pessimistic about the future of medicine. Eighty-two percent believe they have little ability to change the healthcare system.

Multiple factors were cited as driving widespread feelings of discontent among the nation’s physicians. “Liability / defensive medicine pressures” (related to potential malpractice lawsuits) was cited first, followed by “Medicare / Medicaid / government regulations,” “reimbursement issues” and “uncertainty / changes of health reform.” These issues and others cited throughout the study tend to distract or interfere with the time physicians spend with their patients, according to survey respondents.

“The level of pessimism among America’s physicians is very troubling,” said Lou Goodman, Ph.D., president of The Physicians Foundation and CEO of the Texas Medical Association. “More than 84 percent of physicians feel that the medical profession is in decline and nearly 58 percent are reluctant to recommend medicine as a career to their children. That means we need to make significant changes to ensure that we preserve the patient-physician relationship and continue to have the brightest minds going into medicine.”

Healthcare Cost Drivers

When asked about the factors driving increases in healthcare costs, “defensive medicine” was cited as the No. 1 cause for 69 percent of physicians, followed by an “aging population” (65 percent). On average, older patients visit physicians three times as often compared to younger patients. Other factors ranked included “cost of pharmaceuticals,” “advances in technology / treatment” and “social conditions.”

Additional survey findings of note include:

• Close to 92 percent of physicians are unsure where the health system will be or how they will fit into it three to five years from now
• More than 62 percent of physicians said Accountable Care Organizations (ACOs) are either unlikely to increase healthcare quality and decrease costs, or that any quality / cost gains will not be worth the effort
• Physicians are divided on the efficacy of the “medical homes” concept, and many (37.9 percent) remain uncertain about their structure and purpose
• While close to 70 percent of physicians have implemented electronic medical records (EMR), 47.4 percent have significant concerns that EMR poses a risk to patient privacy

“The 13,000 plus physicians who participated in this landmark survey, which included nearly 8,000 open-ended responses, strongly demonstrates the overwhelming desire of America’s physicians to share their perspectives and concerns about the current state of medicine,” said Tim Norbeck, CEO of The Physicians Foundation. “The accuracy, rigor and sheer scope of this survey should make it an invaluable piece of research to policy makers, healthcare providers, media and other stakeholders that truly want to understand the challenges that face America’s healthcare system.”

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You understand that demand interacts with supply, no? Your question doesn't seem to understand that. To answer the question, that would depend on the supply and the supplier. In this case it appears that as demand is increasing, supply is decreasing - which means higher prices.

Personally, I think we'll get to a place where we see more doctors refusing to accept insurance and dealing with patients on a cash only basis.

At this point, I expect the government to move to "increase supply" in order to control costs and meet the needs of the market. What happens after that depends on how the physicians react.
The wrench in your supply and demand theory as it relates to medicine is that there is a third party involved that regulates prices allowed by the "supplier" (insurance) and another regulatory influence (government) that effects the cost of business for the supplier (hippa, osha). These factors don't apply to most industries, and the algorhythms that would be required to figure out supply and demand based economies of medicine are impossible.

I wish it were as simple as a doctor charges so much for an office visit, the patient pays it, and everyone is happy due to supply and demand setting the fee for said office visit. Unfortunately, the doctor has to order extra tests because the patient is a smoking fatass with diabetes, and if the doctor doesn't cover every base possible, the insurance won't pay him a cent. On top of that, the patients family will sue the doctor when the patient loses foot due to diabetes from an infection.

Bottom line is this. Despite the fact that many people think the doctor is a wealthy money grabber, the truth is, the doctors are trying to help their patients, but most of them (just look around at people these days) are out of shape, don't eat well, and do things that they know will hurt them. Meanwhile, the amount of money that the insurance pays the doctor to treat these patients has gone down steadily for years.

I get reimbursed less for a crown today than I got in 2002. Imagine if everything else cost less than it did in 2002.

The medical professions are taking it in the shorts, have been for over a decade, and will continue to do so as long as big Pharm and insurance continue to rule the game.
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I suspect Osteopathic schools and an increased graduate rate of nurses, particularly nurse practitioners.
Hey there Florence Nightengale, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. It's very difficult to get into medical and dental schools right now. It's relatively difficult for the nursing profession as well, if you are talking RN or nurse practitioner. You've got to be in the very top of your class and score very well on aptitude testing. You know how you increase the graduation rate to pump out more nurses and nurse practitioners? You dumb down the requirements. You lower the entrance bar. Guess what? You've just decreased the level of care. Is that what you want?
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Hey there Florence Nightengale, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. It's very difficult to get into medical and dental schools right now. It's relatively difficult for the nursing profession as well, if you are talking RN or nurse practitioner. You've got to be in the very top of your class and score very well on aptitude testing. You know how you increase the graduation rate to pump out more nurses and nurse practitioners? You dumb down the requirements. You lower the entrance bar. Guess what? You've just decreased the level of care. Is that what you want?
No, I just want more smart people to enter into nursing. Because there's a larger demand for it, I suspect that won't be a huge problem. There are plenty of people who will probably go forward with nursing than something like graphic design, art, interior design, real estate, etc.
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No, why?
Reduced funds by the adoption of the ACA followed up with bureaucratic officials that aren't elected and subject to the wrath of the voter, is exactly the definition of what death panels were to anyone paying attention back in 2009.

Which is exactly what happened here by penalizing hospitals for return admissions. It will cause death.

The ACA already has implemented at least one death panel, more to follow as the funds dry up. There is little to argue here.
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No, I just want more smart people to enter into nursing. Because there's a larger demand for it, I suspect that won't be a huge problem. There are plenty of people who will probably go forward with nursing than something like graphic design, art, interior design, real estate, etc.
so, in your perfect lil world, it's all nurses and ambulance chasers
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Interesting article from local paper today . . .

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Record enrollment reported for Allen's spring semester

WATERLOO --- A record 610 students are enrolled at Allen College for spring semester 2013, an 11 percent increase from a record enrollment of 551 students in fall semester 2012.

The college reports large growth in its graduate program, where 197 students are enrolled, a 19 percent increase from 166 students last fall. These students are enrolled in either the master of science in nursing, post-graduate certificate or doctor of nursing practice programs.

In response to increased enrollment, Winter Hall opened on the Allen College campus in August 2012. The 19,500-square-foot facility includes two 75-seat lecture halls, two 35-seat classrooms and faculty offices.

In addition to its graduate programs, Allen College offers bachelor of science in nursing, associate of science in radiography and bachelor of health sciences programs.

Applications are being accepted for all programs. To apply or for more information, call 226-2000 or visit allencollege.edu.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/rec...7f96f3c67.html
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The wrench in your supply and demand theory as it relates to medicine is that there is a third party involved that regulates prices allowed by the "supplier" (insurance) and another regulatory influence (government) that effects the cost of business for the supplier (hippa, osha). These factors don't apply to most industries, and the algorhythms that would be required to figure out supply and demand based economies of medicine are impossible.

I wish it were as simple as a doctor charges so much for an office visit, the patient pays it, and everyone is happy due to supply and demand setting the fee for said office visit. Unfortunately, the doctor has to order extra tests because the patient is a smoking fatass with diabetes, and if the doctor doesn't cover every base possible, the insurance won't pay him a cent. On top of that, the patients family will sue the doctor when the patient loses foot due to diabetes from an infection.

Bottom line is this. Despite the fact that many people think the doctor is a wealthy money grabber, the truth is, the doctors are trying to help their patients, but most of them (just look around at people these days) are out of shape, don't eat well, and do things that they know will hurt them. Meanwhile, the amount of money that the insurance pays the doctor to treat these patients has gone down steadily for years.

I get reimbursed less for a crown today than I got in 2002. Imagine if everything else cost less than it did in 2002.

The medical professions are taking it in the shorts, have been for over a decade, and will continue to do so as long as big Pharm and insurance continue to rule the game.
Great post. But they are taking it in the shorts for two main reasons.

One thing I would like to add is one-third of US health care spending is on administration costs of this system.

Second, there is way too much variation by region in how much we pay per medicare enrollee. However, those regions who spend more do not have better outcomes. The weirdest trend is that more spending actually leads to worse outcomes.

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Interesting article from local paper today . . .



Record enrollment reported for Allen's spring semester

WATERLOO --- A record 610 students are enrolled at Allen College for spring semester 2013, an 11 percent increase from a record enrollment of 551 students in fall semester 2012.

The college reports large growth in its graduate program, where 197 students are enrolled, a 19 percent increase from 166 students last fall. These students are enrolled in either the master of science in nursing, post-graduate certificate or doctor of nursing practice programs.

In response to increased enrollment, Winter Hall opened on the Allen College campus in August 2012. The 19,500-square-foot facility includes two 75-seat lecture halls, two 35-seat classrooms and faculty offices.

In addition to its graduate programs, Allen College offers bachelor of science in nursing, associate of science in radiography and bachelor of health sciences programs.

Applications are being accepted for all programs. To apply or for more information, call 226-2000 or visit allencollege.edu.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/rec...7f96f3c67.html


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Allen College: The answer to our broken healthcare system
Just an example of the increase of supply going on to meet the increased demand. I'll refrain from posting news about the healthcare industry if you find it ridiculous.
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On second thought, I guess I don't really care if you find the news ridiculous. I'll keep posting them because they should be posted.

Here's an interesting development:

New NCIN Project Will Encourage Doctoral Education Among Nurses

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There is no question that our nation needs more nurses prepared with a doctorate degree. The aging baby boomer population, the dramatic projected increase in the number of people with access to health care through the Affordable Care Act and a rapidly changing and increasingly technologically advanced health care system are increasing the need not only for highly qualified nurses, but also for nursing researchers, nursing faculty and nurses who are prepared to shape public policy. The rapidly changing demographics of our nation also demand greater diversity in our nursing workforce –in practice, research and academia.
Now, NCIN is launching a project to identify and encourage nurses who are interested in pursuing doctoral degrees, and to support doctoral nursing students in their studies. The Doctoral Advancement in Nursing (DAN) project is currently collecting data – including hearing from nursing students, nursing school deans and faculty, and other health care professional education associations – to determine the best ways to increase the number of PhD and DNP prepared nurses in the U.S.
http://www.newcareersinnursing.org/c...n-among-nurses
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On second thought, I guess I don't really care if you find the news ridiculous. I'll keep posting them because they should be posted.

Here's an interesting development:

New NCIN Project Will Encourage Doctoral Education Among Nurses



http://www.newcareersinnursing.org/c...n-among-nurses

Great stuff. This means we can have Nurses called Doctor. That right there will calm the fears of many.
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On second thought, I guess I don't really care if you find the news ridiculous. I'll keep posting them because they should be posted.

Here's an interesting development:

New NCIN Project Will Encourage Doctoral Education Among Nurses



http://www.newcareersinnursing.org/c...n-among-nurses
So it sounds like what Obamacare is bringing us is healthcare delivered by nurses instead of more highly trained doctors. Is that supposed to be progress?
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