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Old 02-01-2013, 08:27 AM  
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Reid interested in Alex Smith...

Didn't see this posted anywhere.. anyways sorry if its a repost.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ers-alex-smith

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Old 02-05-2013, 10:29 AM   #586
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I'm comparing Josh Gordon to Steve Johnson as somebody who was a mid-round pick and came into his own in the middle of the season to become a fairly good WR1 for his team.

I just don't picture Gordon as someone as good as even Steve Johnson. Maybe Greg Little can be the guy as long as they draft/sign another starter.
Maybe they go out and get a guy like Greg Jennings. Trade for Alex Smith and the Browns are at least competitive. They have to do something in that tough ass division.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:36 AM   #587
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Maybe they go out and get a guy like Greg Jennings. Trade for Alex Smith and the Browns are at least competitive. They have to do something in that tough ass division.
yea, I feel for Browns fans.....4 games against two of the best run organizations in football. and the Bengals are fairly well organized the past few years. Tough.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:50 AM   #588
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yea, I feel for Browns fans.....4 games against two of the best run organizations in football. and the Bengals are fairly well organized the past few years. Tough.
That division is ****ing ruthless.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:22 PM   #589
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I don't think Smith is coming here because there are going to be three or so teams bidding for him, and I don't think Reid is looking to give up picks for a QB.

That said, don't know why it's great news. I don't think it means the Chiefs are any more likely to draft a QB at 1.
Good point about the bidding. Even if the Chiefs are taking a look, a race of 4 or 5 teams should drop the risk of us getting him even more.

As for the second part, I don't know that I agree. I think the Chiefs are more likely to take a QB at 1.1 if their current roster QB is Matt Cassel. The chances are a lot higher than if they have Alex Smith on their team. Not getting one in FA means they have the intention of getting their starter in the draft, and I can't see Reid and Dorsey risking the start of their reign by playing chicken and risking missing out on the QB they want.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:35 PM   #590
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Good point about the bidding. Even if the Chiefs are taking a look, a race of 4 or 5 teams should drop the risk of us getting him even more.

As for the second part, I don't know that I agree. I think the Chiefs are more likely to take a QB at 1.1 if their current roster QB is Matt Cassel. The chances are a lot higher than if they have Alex Smith on their team. Not getting one in FA means they have the intention of getting their starter in the draft, and I can't see Reid and Dorsey risking the start of their reign by playing chicken and risking missing out on the QB they want.
Why do I want Alex Smith? Getting Alex Smith means less chance of Matt Cassel.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:40 PM   #591
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Why do I want Alex Smith? Getting Alex Smith means less chance of Matt Cassel.
The goal shouldn't be finding a guy to push out Cassel, it should be to find somebody who can do the job.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:55 PM   #592
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Good point about the bidding. Even if the Chiefs are taking a look, a race of 4 or 5 teams should drop the risk of us getting him even more.

As for the second part, I don't know that I agree. I think the Chiefs are more likely to take a QB at 1.1 if their current roster QB is Matt Cassel. The chances are a lot higher than if they have Alex Smith on their team. Not getting one in FA means they have the intention of getting their starter in the draft, and I can't see Reid and Dorsey risking the start of their reign by playing chicken and risking missing out on the QB they want.
Right, and I agree that if you don't go QB in the first you may end up with no one. I don't think the Chiefs will take a QB, just to take one. They'd need to love that QB, and I wonder if there's anyone they love.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:12 PM   #593
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The goal shouldn't be finding a guy to push out Cassel, it should be to find somebody who can do the job.
Tell me who that guy is and I say that is the guy I want. The only thing I know for sure is Cassel is not the guy. Can Smith be the guy? I don't know, but I know Smith might be and I know Cassel is not.
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Tell me who that guy is and I say that is the guy I want. The only thing I know for sure is Cassel is not the guy. Can Smith be the guy? I don't know, but I know Smith might be and I know Cassel is not.
They have almost identical stats despite Cassel starting 13 less games. They're both ass.
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yea, I feel for Browns fans.....4 games against two of the best run organizations in football. and the Bengals are fairly well organized the past few years. Tough.
Well they need to step up and actually compete then. Pitt and Balt are getting old. I feel no sorrow whatsoever for that piss poor organization. Boo-Hoo.
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They have almost identical stats despite Cassel starting 13 less games. They're both ass.
They aren't the same player. I use to think so, but Smith has turned his game around. I know that means nothing to those that don't want him, but Cassel and Smith are night and day.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:26 PM   #597
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They aren't the same player. I use to think so, but Smith has turned his game around. I know that means nothing to those that don't want him, but Cassel and Smith are night and day.
No they're not. If Cassel is high noon.....then Smith is pretty much 4:30 PM.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:29 PM   #598
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Alex Smith: Comp. Att. %. Yards. Avg. TD. INT
1,290 2,177 59.3 14,280 6.6 81 63

Matt Cassel: Comp. Att. %. Yards. Avg. TD. INT
1,203 2,044 58.9 13,495 6.6 82 57

Career Numbers in the exact same amount of years they've played except cassel only attempted 18 passes for 215 yards in his 1st 2 years in the league. Alex Smith didn't play 2008. Not only does cassel have better #'s but in 1 less year.

Matt Cassel = 1 Pro Bowl
Alex Smith = 0 Pro Bowls

Matt Cassel's OC's:
2005 third string = McDaniels
2006 on bench = McDaniels
2007 on bench = McDaniels
2008 starting 15 games = McDaniels
2009 in KC = Haley
2010 = Weiss
2011 = Muir
2012 = Daboll
Total = 5 OC's in 5 years being a starter

Alex Smith's OC's:
2005 playing 9 games = Mike McCarthy
2006 staring = Norv Turner
2007 starting = Jim Hostler
2008 benched = Mike Martz
2009 starting = Jimmy Raye
2010 starting = jimmy raye, replaced by mike johnson 1/3 thru season
2011 starting = greg roman
2012 starting = greg roman
Total = 6 OC's (you could say 7 although i'm sure mike johnson kept everything intact) in 7 years of starting.

Now lets look at this a bit deeper. Matt Cassel had 2 OC's that were known to be QB guru's, McDaniel's and Weiss. And under thos OC's he had 2 extrememly good years, 1 sent him to the probowl the other got him several accolades including

2 AFC Offensive Player of the Week (2008)
Back to back 400-yard games (2008)
USA Today All-Joe team (2008)


Now Alex smith had 3 OC's that are known to be QB guru's. Norv, McCarthy, and Martz, And you could even say his new HC Haurbaugh is a QB guru aswell. And smith had 1.5 good seasons before being yanked and replaced. No ProBowls and

FedEx Air NFL Player of the Week (week 5, 2012)
NFC Offensive Player of the Week (week 8, 2012)



Who's better as apposed to worth?
alex smith due 8.5 millon in 2013
matt cassel due 7.5 millon in 2013

Matt Cassel in 2010 > Alex Smith in 2011/12 with a good OC and putting the right system around him.

Lets compare their quote unquote probowl years shall we?

matt cassel's 2010 season :
Year,Games Played, Attempts, Comp., Yards, TD, INT, QB Rating.....
2010- 15- 450- 262 -3,116 -27 - 7 - 93.0

Alex Smith's 2011 season :
Year,Games Played, Attempts, Comp., Yards, TD, INT, QB Rating.....
2011-16- 445- 273- 61.3- 3144- 17- 5- 90.7
2012-10- 218- 153- 70.2- 1737- 13- 5- 104.1

Was Smith having a better year in 2012? Yes, was it going to be anything more than game manager? No

What was the 49ers strength of schedule for the 2011 season? .449
what was the chiefs strength of schedule for the 2010 season? .414

People want the IT factor of a guy that can throw his team on his back and lead them to victory against the tough teams in this league, people ***** about cassel all the time that he can't do this and we can't take peoples backups that don't have the IT factor and can't do that.. Guess what Alex smith is the same guy people ***** they don't want.
There is a reason he was benched. He is a game manager that has to have the right system around him, and a strong run game, just like cassel. He was benched for Kaep cause Kaep is a game changing gun slinger that can either run you to victory or throw you to victory. Neither of which alex can do. and he's proved it.

Oh and for those that say Smith is a better scrambler.

Cassel's carreer #:
Att, Yrds, Avg, TD
168 612 3.6 3

Smith's carreer #:
Att, Yrds, Avg, TD
212 761 3.58 4
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They aren't the same player. I use to think so, but Smith has turned his game around. I know that means nothing to those that don't want him, but Cassel and Smith are night and day.
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Are you? Smith is about to have four or five teams looking to bid on him in a trade. Cassel will be lucky if the Pats want him back as a back up.
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