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Old 01-31-2013, 08:54 PM  
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Why do people like Chris Christie?
I've never seen this guy say anything thoughtful and he always seems angry. Why is he so appealing to confused peopled like Kotter?
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:43 PM   #46
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WRONG.

They lose a few rights.

And then the next public tragedy happens and they lose a few more.

The 2nd amendment shouldn't be subject to Washington DCs slippery slope bullshit.
To the point without theatrics just to the point and on the money. The rep will say the same~
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:48 PM   #47
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WRONG.

They lose a few rights.

And then the next public tragedy happens and they lose a few more.

The 2nd amendment shouldn't be subject to Washington DCs slippery slope bullshit.
Versus losing a ton of your rights by standing your ground.

And then the next public tragedy happens and they lose a few more, maybe a lot more.
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:19 PM   #48
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Versus losing a ton of your rights by standing your ground.

And then the next public tragedy happens and they lose a few more, maybe a lot more.
"Nothing we are going to do is fundamentally going to alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down." --- Joe Biden, February 1st, 2013
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:31 PM   #49
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"Nothing we are going to do is fundamentally going to alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down." --- Joe Biden, February 1st, 2013
Let me ask you this....
How much scrutiny does the tobacco industry get today vs. 20 years ago? Is it because the threat of cancer went away? Or was it because the tobacco companies stop going on the maverick spree of "as long as we're not doing anything illegal, we can do whatever we want" and started toward a message of at least trying to act a little sympathetic (even if it was disingenuous)?
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:22 PM   #50
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Let me ask you this....
How much scrutiny does the tobacco industry get today vs. 20 years ago? Is it because the threat of cancer went away? Or was it because the tobacco companies stop going on the maverick spree of "as long as we're not doing anything illegal, we can do whatever we want" and started toward a message of at least trying to act a little sympathetic (even if it was disingenuous)?

http://www.alternet.org/story/149599...he_near_future
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:28 PM   #51
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Versus losing a ton of your rights by standing your ground.

And then the next public tragedy happens and they lose a few more, maybe a lot more.
we dont give an inch. Not on this.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:46 PM   #52
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we dont give an inch. Not on this.
Cool. Then it's a good thing conservatives stood their ground on entitlements. And then ended up with a compromise that didn't address entitlements one iota.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:51 PM   #53
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Cool. Then it's a good thing conservatives stood their ground on entitlements. And then ended up with a compromise that didn't address entitlements one iota.
Completely different subject. The constitution says what it says. I stand with it.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:56 PM   #54
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That's your source?
20 years ago, you were talking about massive lawsuits, massive anti-smoking marketing blitzes, pretty much a war on big tobacco. Now you have one advocacy website worrying about tobacco legislation. Today, tobacco is a side conversation. Why? Because the tobacco company chose to play the PR game, going against their long history of fighting back.

I get the idea of standing your ground. But the refusal to play into at least some of the publicity war is hurting the cause big time. And the issue is never going to go away until someone does.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:57 PM   #55
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Completely different subject. The constitution says what it says. I stand with it.
Do you think all speech is protected? And do you think it should be?
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:07 PM   #56
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Do you think all speech is protected? And do you think it should be?
Do you think you are saying something new here? This discussion has been done to death. I do not compromise on second amendment rights, nor does the nra. It has served them and me well. Any pol who wants to step up, go ahead. You will find that line to be pretty sparse.
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:44 PM   #57
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Do you think you are saying something new here? This discussion has been done to death. I do not compromise on second amendment rights, nor does the nra. It has served them and me well. Any pol who wants to step up, go ahead. You will find that line to be pretty sparse.
I am not saying anything new. I am responding to your line that the constitution says what it says, therefore, that is an absolute.

It is your right to defend gun rights. I support gun rights too. I am just pointing out the dangerous logic that giving an inch in compromise is worse than standing your ground and potentially giving up a mile.
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