Why do people like Chris Christie?

[Bo's Pelini]

I've never seen this guy say anything thoughtful and he always seems angry. Why is he so appealing to confused peopled like Kotter?

[go bowe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Dogma and rigid ideological extemism is not the same as "values." The only values you seem to have is a naive and misguided faith that anarchy masquerading as "libertarianism" is a cogent and realistic approach managing our nation.

yep, what he said...

[Bo's Pelini]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Yep...moderation, consensus, compromise? WTH???

Lunatic fringe douchebags prefer dogma and gridlock over effective governance.....

Funny how drone bombings, gitmo, unconstitutional appointments, and mountains of debt arent considered fringe or lunacy (which I believe is defined by doing the same thing over and over).

[go bowe]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Funny how drone bombings, gitmo, unconstitutional appointments, and mountains of debt arent considered fringe or lunacy (which I believe is defined by doing the same thing over and over).

as you say, these things are NOT considered fringe, except by those on the fringe...

which you should know quite a lot about from personal experience...

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Funny how drone bombings, gitmo, unconstitutional appointments, and mountains of debt arent considered fringe or lunacy (which I believe is defined by doing the same thing over and over).

I suppose you objected to those things when W. did them? To be consistent, I mean.

I simply don't accept the false dichotomy that some subscribe to that you either have to love or hate a particular President. TJ mistakes giving Presidents due respect and fair minded consideration for being swayed by the cult of personality. The bully pulpit, if used to further the public good is a great thing; however, performance and having a plan to address problems weighs much more heavily for me.

It's more complicated than simple partisan and/or ideological politics. In terms of approval, on a scale of 1-10 (1 is lowest, 10 highest)....this is how I'd rate the most contemporary Presidents:

Ford 5+
Carter 3
Reagan 8.5
Bush HW 7
Clinton 7+
Bush W 5-
Obama 6 (so far)

You see, my ratings have to do with whether or not the President has a plan to, and while serving executes policies that....effectively address the major issues of the day. To rank them, it would look like this:

1. Reagan (R)
2. Clinton (D)
3. Bush I (R)
4. Obama (D)
5. Ford (R)
6. Bush II (R)
7. Carter (D)

People like BEP, TJ, and other whack jobs mistake ideology for effective governance. Ideologues insist on their own way, a my-way-or-the-highway approach to politcs that is inconsistent with effective governance in a representative government such as ours--especially when it's coupled with a campaign finance structure that allows for far too much power to be concentrated in the hands of an arrogant and self-serving elite who don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

[go bowe]

oh c'mon...

you really like it the way it is, it's alright, you can tell us...

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by Taco John

No one takes you seriously.

Clinton
Bush II
Obama
Christie

It's easy to compromise when your only criteria for compromise is voting for whoever is popular at the moment. Some of us, though, actually have values.

No shit, assholes like Kotter are exactly what is wrong with this country. Nothing like situational ethics to ruin a once fine country.

[go bowe]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

No shit, assholes like Kotter are exactly what is wrong with this country. Nothing like situational ethics to ruin a once fine country.

assholes like kc are exactly what is wrong with this country...

nothing like rigid ideology to ruin a once fine country...





actually, it's sad you think our country is not a fine country still...

it must suck to be you...

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by go bowe

assholes like kc are exactly what is wrong with this country...

nothing like rigid ideology to ruin a once fine country...





actually, it's sad you think our country is not a fine country still...

it must suck to be you...

Another situational ethic nuthugger, run along and grab another dose of stupidity. By the time you realize the mess you're in it will be too late, and I don't even care to be there to tell you I told you so. I feel sorry for people like you.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Dogma and rigid ideological extemism is not the same as "values."

Translation: "Stop liking what I don't like!"

What your ilk don't understand is that....

a.) A government that agrees on everything all the time is likely dangerous and hungry for power. Without any voices of dissent in government, we the people are left with nobody to stand up for us.

b.) Some things - such as civil liberties and our inalienable rights - absolutely CANNOT be compromised on if we want to maintain a just society based on liberty and democratic-republican values.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by go bowe

assholes like kc are exactly what is wrong with this country...

nothing like rigid ideology to ruin a once fine country...

actually, it's sad you think our country is not a fine country still...

it must suck to be you...

No kidding....9/11 and Sandy Hook were conspiracies of the government! The government wants to confiscate all our weapons! We never really landed on the moon! The military industrial complex killed JFK! All cops are corrupt! W is the devil! Obama is the devil! We are ALLLLL doomed! DOOMED I say....

Now, go build your doomsday shelter, with 4 years of emergency rations and gas powered generators, before those black helicopters land...HURRY!

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

No kidding....9/11 and Sandy Hook were conspiracies of the government! The government wants to confiscate all our weapons! We never really landed on the moon! The military industrial complex killed JFK! All cops are corrupt! W is the devil! Obama is the devil! We are ALLLLL doomed! DOOMED I say....

Now, go build your doomsday shelter, with 4 years of emergency rations and gas powered generators, before those black helicopters land...HURRY!

Heh, who would that be? I never stated SH was a conspiracy? Never landed on the moon? What's your drink of choice this hour Kotter? seriously.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Heh, who would that be? I never stated SH was a conspiracy? Never landed on the moon? What's your drink of choice this hour Kotter? seriously.

Not saying YOU did....but all the tin-foil anti-govt BS you spam this place with suggest you just might....

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Translation: "Stop liking what I don't like!"

What your ilk don't understand is that....

a.) A government that agrees on everything all the time is likely dangerous and hungry for power. Without any voices of dissent in government, we the people are left with nobody to stand up for us.

b.) Some things - such as civil liberties and our inalienable rights - absolutely CANNOT be compromised on if we want to maintain a just society based on liberty and democratic-republican values.

Dissent is fine, it's the tin-foil conspiracy B.S. and blame that nutjobs like you (I guess) seem to believe in that is fostered by political extremism on both sides that is laughable.

FTR, I would strongly oppose any attempt to curtail true civil liberties and rights, so you are barking up the wrong tree there slick. Liberty and freedom have nothing to do with democratic or republican values--those transcend any and all of the political bullshit.

Go drink some more talk radio kool-aid, and call me in the morning. Okay?

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Not saying YOU did....but all the tin-foil anti-govt BS you spam this place with suggest you just might....



Dissent is fine, it's the tin-foil conspiracy B.S. and blame that nutjobs like you (I guess) seem to believe in that is fostered by political extremism on both sides that is laughable.

FTR, I would strongly oppose any attempt to curtail true civil liberties and rights, so you are barking up the wrong tree there slick. Liberty and freedom have nothing to do with democratic or republican values--those transcend any and all of the political bullshit.

Go drink some more talk radio kool-aid, and call me in the morning. Okay?

Anti Bad government, please try to keep up and keep the generalizations to a minimum.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Anti Bad government, please try to keep up and keep the generalizations to a minimum.

Your questionable "sources" and selective citations of only one side of the story, without telling the whole story....and more importantly, constant attention to the bad without any recognition of the good...makes such a generalizations a pretty safe bet.

Between you and BEP, you two have more bats in your belfry than Phyllis Diller and Pee Wee Herman.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Dissent is fine, it's the tin-foil conspiracy B.S. and blame that nutjobs like you (I guess)

Stopped reading there. Your name-calling and assumptions prove you don't have much of an argument.