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Old 01-29-2013, 09:25 AM  
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Guantanamo will remain open for business.

Pretty big defeat for the civil libertarians among us.

I remain convinced that Gitmo and its usage in the wake of the "War on Terror" will remain a blot on American history. The complete black hole of legal protections we ensured there grew the pool of recruits for terrorists world wide (probably still does), and the enhanced interrogation we enacted there will essentially don this structure as a monument to American torture.

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Office Working to Close Guantánamo Is Shuttered
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: January 28, 2013

FORT MEADE, Md. — The State Department on Monday reassigned Daniel Fried, the special envoy for closing the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and will not replace him, according to an internal personnel announcement. Mr. Fried’s office is being closed, and his former responsibilities will be “assumed” by the office of the department’s legal adviser, the notice said.

The announcement that no senior official in President Obama’s second term will succeed Mr. Fried in working primarily on diplomatic issues pertaining to repatriating or resettling detainees appeared to signal that the administration does not currently see the closing of the prison as a realistic priority, despite repeated statements that it still intends to do so.

Mr. Fried will become the department’s coordinator for sanctions policy and will work on issues including Iran and Syria.

The announcement came as Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four other Guantánamo Bay detainees facing death penalty charges before a military tribunal over the Sept. 11 attacks made their first public appearance since October on Monday, sitting quietly in a high-security courtroom at the naval base in Cuba as pretrial hearings resumed. A closed-circuit feed of the proceedings was shown at Fort Meade.

Mr. Mohammed, with a red-dyed beard and a turban, wore a camouflage jacket over white garb. All five detainees spoke briefly in telling the judge, Col. James Pohl of the Army, that they understood their right not to attend future days of the hearing. Only one detainee, Walid bin Attash, spoke further, complaining through an interpreter that the defendants were not motivated to attend because “the prosecution does not want us to hear or understand or say anything.”

The session mainly focused on technical matters like nuances in an order on handling classified information. At one point, the video feed was censored for nearly a minute. It was not clear why; Colonel Pohl appeared upset and said no classified information had been discussed.

Mr. Fried’s special envoy post was created in 2009, shortly after Mr. Obama took office and promised to close the prison in his first year. A career diplomat, Mr. Fried traveled the world negotiating the repatriation of some 31 low-level detainees and persuading third-party countries to resettle about 40 who were cleared for release but could not be sent home because of fears of abuse.

But the outward flow of detainees slowed almost to a halt as Congress imposed restrictions on further transfers, leaving Mr. Fried with less to do. He was eventually assigned to work on resettling a group of Iranian exiles, known as the M.E.K., who were living in a refugee camp in Iraq, in addition to his Guantánamo duties.

Ian Moss, a spokesman for Mr. Fried’s office, said its dismantling did not mean that the administration had given up on closing the prison. “We remain committed to closing Guantánamo, and doing so in a responsible fashion,” Mr. Moss said. “The administration continues to express its opposition to Congressional restrictions that impede our ability to implement transfers.”

Besides barring the transfer of any detainees into the United States for prosecution or continued detention, lawmakers prohibited transferring them to other countries with troubled security conditions, like Yemen or Sudan. In the most recent defense authorization act, enacted late last year, lawmakers extended those restrictions and expanded them to cover even detainees scheduled to be repatriated under a plea deal with military prosecutors.

Mr. Obama had threatened to veto the bill, but instead he signed it while issuing a signing statement claiming that he had the constitutional power, as commander in chief, to lawfully override such statutory restrictions on the handling of wartime prisoners. Mr. Obama’s intentions were not clear, however, even to internal administration officials.

Last July, before the latest statute, the Pentagon repatriated a Sudanese man, Ibrahim al Qosi, after he pleaded guilty before a tribunal to conspiracy and supporting terrorism and served out his sentence as part of a deal.

Another Sudanese man who pleaded guilty to similar charges, Noor Uthman Muhammed, is scheduled to be repatriated in about a year. There is now doubt, however, about whether the military can live up to that agreement.

In recent months, the federal appeals court in Washington has vacated guilty verdicts by tribunals against two other detainees convicted of similar charges — the only two detainees to date to be convicted after a trial, rather than through a plea deal — because the offenses were not international war crimes.

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. decided to continue arguing in court that it was lawful to bring such charges before a military commission. That has led to a growing split between the administration and Brig. Gen. Mark S. Martins, the chief prosecutor of the tribunals, who objected to that decision and unsuccessfully sought permission to withdraw conspiracy from the list of charges against the Sept. 11 defendants.

On Sunday, on the eve of the hearing, General Martins addressed recent coverage of the split. He argued that any disagreement was a good thing because it showed that tribunal officials were not “moving in lock step,” but rather were independent, which “if anything bolsters, rather than undermines, confidence in the military commissions system.”
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:39 PM   #46
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You have to admit how funny it is Obama keeps vindicating Bush on policy. And how much the MSM takes great lengths to look the other way.
i don't know if i'd say vindicating bush, but o'bama has clearly followed bush's lead in many areas of policy, with a few major exceptions...

and the whole issue of gitmo is no longer in the news, so most people have forgotten...

the msm doesn't push the issue, but i think they would report on anything that might happen there or any significant changes wrt gitmo...

short answer, yes it is "funny" (as in strange, weird) and the msm does look away sometimes (and clearly they aren't pushing the gitmo angle)...
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:40 PM   #47
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Cool now we can just hold our breath waiting for this simpleton to start a new poll asking if the guards are converted and are now plotting against us~
which simpleton are we talking about here?

there are so many to choose from lately...
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:46 PM   #48
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which simpleton are we talking about here?

there are so many to choose from lately...
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:54 PM   #49
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Cool now we can just hold our breath waiting for this simpleton to start a new poll asking if the guards are converted and are now plotting against us~
I have to be fair here and point out Direckshun has admitted in this thread Obama failed at something.

That being said you'd think the failure of Obama's campaign promise of closing GITMO and his constant backup of his little bitch Holder would actually be reported more by the MSM.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:58 PM   #50
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I have to be fair here and point out Direckshun has admitted in this thread Obama failed at something.

That being said you'd think the failure of Obama's campaign promise of closing GITMO and his constant backup of his little bitch Holder would actually be reported more by the MSM.
My post was directed a BRC. Direckshun has much more credibility than BRC~
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:59 PM   #51
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I have to be fair here and point out Direckshun has admitted in this thread Obama failed at something.

That being said you'd think the failure of Obama's campaign promise of closing GITMO and his constant backup of his little bitch Holder would actually be reported more by the MSM.
mr. o'bama has failed at many things, some of which are major failures, no question about it...

but i don't think the gitmo deal is on him unless you attribute that failure to the naivety of a less than well-experienced politician making promises he couldn't possibly keep...
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:03 PM   #52
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:05 PM   #53
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mr. o'bama has failed at many things, some of which are major failures, no question about it...

but i don't think the gitmo deal is on him unless you attribute that failure to the naivety of a less than well-experienced politician making promises he couldn't possibly keep...
Where I come from you don't write a check with your mouth your ass cannot cash. Sadly the pig****ers that run our country are not held to this simple standard~
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:10 PM   #54
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Redneck, BEP, Como, and any of you other irrational nuts can continue to get off on Obama "failing" or "lying" or whatever you want to call it on Gitmo. You've been deprived of a true scandal, so "lying" about Gitmo is your victory. I'd hardly call it a lie, but he didn't get done what he said he'd do.

I know you really, really want this to be a big deal, but to the vast majority of people, there are so many other things that are more important. Sorry.
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If you have read my interactions with Cosmo you already know I trash that idiot often. BRC on the other hand is much more despicable in my eyes. At least Cosmo tows a line as in he is who he is and doesn't try to hide it. The same with direcshun. I question their motives but I know exactly where they stand. BRC is a shape shifter and that is a trait I have no respect for...the true definition of a shitbag~
You really don't know shit. What's funny is that I see your posts and we agree on a lot of stuff. You just go totally apeshit when someone disagrees with you about anything.

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mr. o'bama has failed at many things, some of which are major failures, no question about it...

but i don't think the gitmo deal is on him unless you attribute that failure to the naivety of a less than well-experienced politician making promises he couldn't possibly keep...
If you attribute signing an executive order to close GITMO knowing it will fail your premise is wrong.

If you make a campaign promise knowing you'll fail it is an outright lie.

If you make a campaign promise you thought you could keep but failed for political reasons it would be acknowledged as much as Bush creating GITMO was.
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Where I come from you don't write a check with your mouth your ass cannot cash. Sadly the pig****ers that run our country are not held to this simple standard~
i hear what you're saying and i can't argue with that...

but campaign promises are not checks to be cashed...

campaign promises are mostly wishful thinking or just pure bullshit...
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You really don't know shit. What's funny is that I see your posts and we agree on a lot of stuff. You just go totally apeshit when someone disagrees with you any about anything.
Ok I am sincerely sorry for interrupting your flapping off to the hope and change poster....carry on and don't mind me~
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If you attribute signing an executive order to close GITMO knowing it will fail your premise is wrong.

If you make a campaign promise knowing you'll fail it is an outright lie.

If you make a campaign promise you thought you could keep but failed for political reasons it would be acknowledged as much as Bush creating GITMO was.
i'll take door number three, please...

gitmo has always presented significant legal and moral difficulties for us, but i fully supported it's creation and use during the bush years...

but congress should allow it to be closed and either transfer prisoners to 3rd countries or bring them to trial in the u.s. where every other terrorist has been convicted and imprisoned...

there's no practical reason to continue to hold prisoners at gitmo, imo...
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Ok I am sincerely sorry for interrupting your flapping off to the hope and change poster....carry on and don't mind me~
eh, the poster doesn't do much for me, but i really get off on his democratic convention speech where he talked about not red and not blue america but the united states of america, etc.

i play it continuously on my t.v. and it never gets old...
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