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DHS places and order for 7k select-fire rifles for personal defense
On 7 June 2012, the Department of Homeland security drew up a proposal to purchase 7k select-fire rifles in a 5.56x45mm caliber. In that proposal, the rifles are described as follows:
"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required." (Section C(PDW)ver 7.pdf - available in the below link) Suitable for personal defense in close quarters or maximum concealment, eh? Sounds like a kind of situation one might encounter in their own home and faced with an intruder. It seems as if in the eyes of the government these are select-fire personal defense tools in the hands of one of their agents. In the hands of a good law abiding citizens they are semi-automatic assault rifle mass killing machines. Link: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d791b6aa0fd9d3d8833b2efa08300033&tab=core&_cview=0 ![]() |
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Btw, I'd be willing to bet a semi-auto shotty with an 8-10 shell mag is the gold standard of home defense. |
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Seems reasonable.
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Exactly where is this extra “firepower” coming from? A bullet doesn’t care whether it’s leaving the barrel of a semi-auto or not, it’ll arrive with the same impact regardless.
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Heart Disease Obesity Vehicle Death Suicide Education Health Care . . . . Hell, the US is barely in the top 30 in the list of life expectancy by country. It would be nice if we could fix all of it.
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I'd bet it would be a pump action as opposed to semi-auto
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Good. Then your next goal should be some type of prioritization, according to the amount of damage done by each category. Because currently your priorities don't make much sense.
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Seeing as there were a grand total of 323 murders attributed to these guns while blunt instruments accounted for more than double that number... I don't see how one can argue that banning them will accomplish much, if anything, towards the goal of reducing homicides and crime. Especially when the '94 ban did little to nothing on that same front. If semi auto rifles are not the reason why we are embarrassingly awful... then it stands to reason that there is no need to ban them at all. Especially not when the Department of Homeland security says they are suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required. The bolded part... would you not agree that a person's home would constitute personal defense in close quarters & maximum concealment being needed? This is their definition... not mine. |
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Probably not.
Well you stated if you need semi-auto gun by your bedside that should extend to grenade launchers. That is silly |
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I advocate lots of different measures of gun control -- many of which were instituted by the President. My personal preferences against semiautos would be to reduce mass shootings. As for your question... I would say that if we are going to permit semiautos at all (which, of course, we are), then home defense is obviously a defensible type of use for them. |
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I'll admit it's an attempt to slippery-slope the conversation the other way, as these conversations so frequently attempt to boil any sort of gun control to "they want our guns."
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In which case, given what the 2nd was truly for, which is to have well regulated militia to protect the state then yes, semi-automatics are indeed not only acceptabe but well sutited moreso than the shotgun crap we keep hearing from this Admin.
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