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Old 01-29-2013, 04:56 AM  
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DHS places and order for 7k select-fire rifles for personal defense

On 7 June 2012, the Department of Homeland security drew up a proposal to purchase 7k select-fire rifles in a 5.56x45mm caliber. In that proposal, the rifles are described as follows:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required." (Section C(PDW)ver 7.pdf - available in the below link)

Suitable for personal defense in close quarters or maximum concealment, eh? Sounds like a kind of situation one might encounter in their own home and faced with an intruder.

It seems as if in the eyes of the government these are select-fire personal defense tools in the hands of one of their agents. In the hands of a good law abiding citizens they are semi-automatic assault rifle mass killing machines.

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https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d791b6aa0fd9d3d8833b2efa08300033&tab=core&_cview=0


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Old 01-29-2013, 10:59 AM   #76
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yeah, I mean it's a real stretch to say that your home might be invaded by 2 or 3 people as opposed to 1.

It's a real stretch to say that the criminal(s) that enter my house aren't going to stand still while I shoot them so it doesn't take more than 6 rounds.
The odds are, if you fire off a few rounds, they're going to get the **** out while they can.

The lesser odds are that they come for you.

The basically nonexistant odds are that they come for you in waves, instantly, and with unrelenting firepower that ordinary firearms would be rendered ineffective.

Unless you're goddamn head of state. Then the game changes.

But I'm willing to bet that, like me, you're just a douchenozzle that nobody cares about.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:00 AM   #77
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Preparation... for hypotheticals.



You sound like one of those dudes from Doomsday Preppers.
Yea, it's a real hypo to talk about someone's house being invaded.

And you sound like and uninformed douche, but what else is new.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:01 AM   #78
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The odds are, if you fire off a few rounds, they're going to get the **** out while they can.

The lesser odds are that they come for you.

The basically nonexistant odds are that they come for you in waves, instantly, and with unrelenting firepower that ordinary firearms would be rendered ineffective.

Unless you're goddamn head of state. Then the game changes.

But I'm willing to bet that, like me, you're just a douchenozzle that nobody cares about.
JFC, you got it all figured out. The criminal will do that, and will do that but won't do this and won't do that.

I'm not willing to be the lives of my family and myself on your bullshit odds, asshole.

In fact, I'm done with this. You are an insanely idiotic person.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:02 AM   #79
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Yea, it's a real hypo to talk about someone's house being invaded.

And you sound like and uninformed douche, but what else is new.
I'm just saying, I'm willing to bet you don't have a shelter under your home to rush into in case biological warfare started spreading. Nor, I'm guessing, will you start investing your money to do just that.

The odds of needing a semiauto to protect yourself at home are hardly better.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:04 AM   #80
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JFC, you got it all figured out. The criminal will do that, and will do that but won't do this and won't do that.

I'm not willing to be the lives of my family and myself on your bullshit odds, asshole.

In fact, I'm done with this. You are an insanely idiotic person.
I'm not saying what they will do. I'm saying what they're likely to do.

They're not likely to charge further into an armed home and challenge the homeowner to a duel.

Of course, they might, but unless you're just that much better than them at marksmanship, your only real reliable defense to that is a well-funded, well-trained police force that responds quickly.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:06 AM   #81
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I'm not saying what they will do. I'm saying what they're likely to do.

They're not likely to charge further into an armed home and challenge the homeowner to a duel.

Of course, they might, but unless you're just that much better than them at marksmanship, your only real reliable defense to that is a well-funded, well-trained police force that responds quickly.
Yes you are saying what they will do. You can't guarantee a damn thing and your odds can suck my cock because all it takes is once for your precious odds to wrong.

you let me worry about what my best defense is, ok? And as long as I am not thretening you then it's none of your business.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:09 AM   #82
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you let me worry about what my best defense is, ok? And as long as I am not thretening you then it's none of your business.
Pete, I'm not even sure if you're emotionally stable enough to be allowed to drive a tractor, much less handle a firearm.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:13 AM   #83
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Pete, I'm not even sure if you're emotionally stable enough to be allowed to drive a tractor, much less handle a firearm.
I don't give a **** what you think. you obviously don't understand dick about firearms so I don't think you need to even be opening your mouth on the topic
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Just the idea that you need multiple semiautos on your bedside stand in the fear that multiple criminals armed-to-the-teeth storm your home looking for blood...

...seems right at home on Doomsday Preppers.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:17 AM   #85
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Just the idea that you need multiple semiautos on your bedside stand in the fear that multiple criminals armed-to-the-teeth storm your home looking for blood...

...seems right at home on Doomsday Preppers.
Just the idea that you think you know for a fact what the future holds seems right at home with a dumbass
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:22 AM   #86
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Just the idea that you think you know for a fact what the future holds seems right at home with a dumbass
I have no idea what the future holds.

But there's no need to arm yourself to the teeth in the off chance that an absurdly inconceivable event will occur.

Any more than you'll need carry cyanide pills with me if/when you go on a ship cruise in the case you're overtaken by brutal pirates.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:22 AM   #87
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I'm just saying, I'm willing to bet you don't have a shelter under your home to rush into in case biological warfare started spreading. Nor, I'm guessing, will you start investing your money to do just that.

The odds of needing a semiauto to protect yourself at home are hardly better.
Damn dude... you're wandering pretty far off the reservation here.

We could come up with countless things that people don't need, which have the potential for harm. But need is a pretty subjective claim to make when you're speaking on behalf of someone else's safety...

Saying we don't need personal firearms because we also don't need biological warfare bunkers under every home is just crazytalk.... Even if the odds are 100000 to 1 that I'll never need to use my weapon for self defense, I'm still going to keep mine around in case I happen to find the odds against me.

The odds are pretty high that you won't need your spare tire this week. So are you going to remove it from the trunk now?
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:24 AM   #88
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Pete, I'm not even sure if you're emotionally stable enough to be allowed to drive a tractor, much less handle a firearm.
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Damn dude... you're wandering pretty far off the reservation here.

We could come up with countless things that people don't need, which have the potential for harm. But need is a pretty subjective claim to make when you're speaking on behalf of someone else's safety...
Well we could easily extend this conversation into grenade launchers then.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:25 AM   #90
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Well we could easily extend this conversation into grenade launchers then.
If silly hyperbola is your goal... yes....
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