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Old 01-29-2013, 04:56 AM  
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DHS places and order for 7k select-fire rifles for personal defense

On 7 June 2012, the Department of Homeland security drew up a proposal to purchase 7k select-fire rifles in a 5.56x45mm caliber. In that proposal, the rifles are described as follows:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required." (Section C(PDW)ver 7.pdf - available in the below link)

Suitable for personal defense in close quarters or maximum concealment, eh? Sounds like a kind of situation one might encounter in their own home and faced with an intruder.

It seems as if in the eyes of the government these are select-fire personal defense tools in the hands of one of their agents. In the hands of a good law abiding citizens they are semi-automatic assault rifle mass killing machines.

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https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d791b6aa0fd9d3d8833b2efa08300033&tab=core&_cview=0


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Old 01-29-2013, 10:44 AM   #61
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Death quickly and easily? Do you realize trained cops..yes cop(S) popped off 45 rounds at a perp and only hit him 19 times?
All the more reason for those things to be out of commission.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:45 AM   #62
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Because the odds of you ever running into a situation where you need to get off that much ammunition that quickly is in the neighborhood of zero.
I don't give a flying **** about your odds. I am not willing to risk the lives of myself or my family based on your ****ing odds. All it takes is the one time, asshole. You don't want to defend yourself that's fine with me. But get the **** out of my business.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:46 AM   #63
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All the more reason for those things to be out of commission.
Yeah, so when the scared woman empties her 6-shooter maybe she will get her attacker(s) to wait while she re-loads???

You're such a brainy dumb****
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:46 AM   #64
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I am not willing to risk the lives of myself or my family based on your ****ing odds. All it takes is the one time, asshole. You don't want to defend yourself that's fine with me. But get the **** out of my business.
Owning a semiauto does basically nothing to help protect the lives of you and your family.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:48 AM   #65
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Yeah, so when the scared woman empties her 6-shooter maybe she will get her attacker(s) to wait while she re-loads???

You're such a brainy dumb****
For every one of these hypotheticals you concoct (along with R8rs), I could easily concoct one where the criminals simply have more firepower than you have.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:48 AM   #66
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Owning a semiauto does basically nothing to help protect the lives of you and your family.
This is a classic example of just how stupid you are. What if 2 or 3 people break into my house? I know, you think 6 bullets is enough, right?
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:48 AM   #67
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:50 AM   #68
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For every one of these hypotheticals you concoct (along with R8rs), I could easily concoct one where the criminals simply have more firepower than you have.
If we follow your stupid logic the criminal will ALWAYS have more firepower.

Which is all the reason more I should be allowed to have what you don't want to have then now isn't dumbass? You just blew a hile in your own argument you ****tard!!
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:50 AM   #69
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Because they can create a ton of death really quickly and really easily.
Let's ban all dangerous things...
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This is a classic example of just how stupid you are. What if 2 or 3 people break into my house? I know, you think 6 bullets is enough, right?
If we're talking pure hypotheticals, then nothing's really ever enough.

Go ahead, grab your gun of choice. I will just give each of those criminals the same gun.

The key is to fund and strengthen your local law enforcement so they can get there really quickly, and hope you hold them off with what you have in the mean time. That's your only surefire defense against any number of hypotheticals you or I could devise.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:52 AM   #71
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And why does the government get to jail people, but when I do it it's "imprisonment"?

Huh? Hm?
****ing dumbass im surprised you dont ask goverment to wipe your ass for you while you make your shitty threads.
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If we follow your stupid logic the criminal will ALWAYS have more firepower.
That doesn't follow at all.

But if you're just making shit up in hypotheticals, then you're simply never going to have enough firepower to repel the 16 automatic-bearing ninjas breaking into your bedroom window for the explicit purpose of murdering you.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:52 AM   #73
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If we're talking pure hypotheticals, then nothing's really ever enough.

Go ahead, grab your gun of choice. I will just give each of those criminals the same gun.

The key is to fund and strengthen your local law enforcement so they can get there really quickly, and hope you hold them off with what you have in the mean time. That's your only surefire defense against any number of hypotheticals you or I could devise.
Well unfortunately for you I don't base the value of my life on hypo's but rather preperation.

Unlike you, Dipshit, the rest of us don't have a crystal ball that tells us what threat will present itself and what exactly we would need to defend ourselves from said threat.
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That doesn't follow at all.

But if you're just making shit up in hypotheticals, then you're simply never going to have enough firepower to repel the 16 automatic-bearing ninjas breaking into your bedroom window for the explicit purpose of murdering you.
yeah, I mean it's a real stretch to say that your home might be invaded by 2 or 3 people as opposed to 1.

It's a real stretch to say that the criminal(s) that enter my house aren't going to stand still while I shoot them so it doesn't take more than 6 rounds.


JFC, you are a complete idiot on this subject.
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Well unfortunately for you I don't base the value of my life on hypo's but rather preperation.
Preparation... for hypotheticals.

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Unlike you, Dipshit, the rest of us don't have a crystal ball that tells us what threat will present itself and what exactly we would need to defend ourselves from said threat.
You sound like one of those dudes from Doomsday Preppers.
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