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Old 01-28-2013, 11:50 PM  
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Teicher's Garbage Part Deux: Star's Top 10 QB's

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The Star’s NFL Draft top 10: Grading the QBs
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January 28
BY ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Following last week’s Senior Bowl, we’ve decided to spend this week’s edition of The Star’s NFL Draft top 10 on quarterbacks. Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon, Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib, Miami of Ohio’s Zac Dysert, Oklahoma’s Landry Jones and Florida State’s EJ Manuel participated. While the Chiefs likely won’t take any quarterback with the first pick, keep in mind that with the scouting combine, school and personal workouts and interviews, there’s still time for these prospects and others to climb the board.

• 1. Wilson. He completed eight of 11 passes in the game but for just 40 yards.

• 2. Geno Smith, West Virginia. Opted not to play in the Senior Bowl but can make up ground over the next three months.

• 3. Glennon. Completed eight of 16 passes and had the game’s longest completion of 22 yards.

• 4. Matt Barkley, USC. Didn’t play in the Senior Bowl because of a sprained throwing shoulder.

• 5. Nassib. Was just four of 10 with an interception.

• 6. Tyler Bray, Tennessee. Came out for draft as a junior, so he was ineligible to play in the Senior Bowl.

• 7. Dysert. Was 10 of 16 with a touchdown and an interception.

• 8. Jones. Was just three of nine and was sacked twice.

• 9. Matt Scott, Arizona. Just a one-year starter, but a dual-threat quarterback who can run as well as throw.

• 10. Manuel. Was seven for 10 with a touchdown. He also rushed for a touchdown.

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Old 01-29-2013, 10:09 AM   #46
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I too must admit I have a bad feeling in my stomach that we are not going to take a QB at 1.

I pray to God I'm wrong.
If we don't take one at #1, we won't be drafting a QB at all most likely.

The media is starting to come around to understanding that guys like Tyler Wilson and Matt Barkley aren't going to last into the 2nd half of the 1st round.

There literally won't be anything left at #34 but scraps.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:20 AM   #47
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Whoa Whoa Whoa, just because Geno might be the #1 QB does not mean he is the #1 option on the big board for the Chiefs. While the QB is the most important position on the team, that doesn't mean the 21 other positions are useless. You don't see phenomenal QBs winning Super Bowls without decent teams around them. You do, however, see Decent QBs win super bowls with Phenomenal teams around them.

The closest we ever got to being a perennial playoff team and repeating our early success of our super bowl era, was under Marty Ball. We didn't have our own QB then, but we did have one hell of a team built, even when our QB wasn't named Montana. And some of you probably couldn't name off 3 QBs under Marty not named Montana, without having to go and google search it.

Also, you're forgetting that the McNabb draft was similar to this draft, there was shit for QB's coming out in that draft and Andy didn't have the #1 selection back then. For all we knew, Tim Couch was his #1 guy lol. My oh my how things would have been different for him.

The point here is, if Andy Reid thinks his guy has a 95% chance of being there in the 2nd, he's not going to draft him #1. He'l draft someone or trade out of the spot, and then trade back in or sit on the pick in the 2nd round.


He has so many options and all you guys can seem to grasp is that he has to take a QB #1 if he thinks that QB won't be there in the second.

I want to use a really good example of smart drafting.

Cincy in the 2011 draft. In a draft full of QB's where only one of them had separated himself as the #1 draft pick (like Geno), Cincy waited for their QB to fall into the second round, and took AJ Green as their first round pick at #4, arguably one of the most complete and physically gifted receivers in the game, rivaling Megatron with those honors. And with their second round pick, #35 overall, the Bengals picked up Andy Dalton. Pretty good ****ing QB if you ask me. Unlike Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder, who were all taken after Newton and before Dalton.

They were also the only team to have two pro bowlers from the 1st and 2nd round, might even be the only team to have two pro bowlers from that entire draft.

The point is, we have more needs than just QB, and if Andy Reid thinks we can get our guy in the second, I'm behind it, and against this idiotic push for a #1 overall QB "just because", especially in a year where the QBs suck compared to most years. This draft class has nothing but career backups and maybe 3 guys with potential to really be a true starter in the NFL, and not a Gabbert type starter lol.
The push for QB at No. 1 is not "just because." It is "because" if the Chiefs try to wait to draft their QB, they likely will either be drafting the 4th-6th best QB in this draft (and there's no guarantee the guy they want will actually be there) or they will be having to desperately move back up into the first round from No. 34 to take the guy they want before someone else can nab him.

Waiting to get the QB the Chiefs want in Round 2 is not as easy as so many seem to think. Given the number of teams with needs at QB (five beyond KC in the top 8 alone that need one) that vary from BIG to EXTREME, that plan is fraught with risk.

Also, please stop living in the 1990s. I realize that Soundgarden, TLC and Pearl Jam are awesome. But the NFL has moved on. Caretaker QBs with great teams around them don't win anymore.

The CLOSEST you can get in recent years is probably Baltimore with Flacco this year... and they won that game by going to a wide-open passing attack in the second-half of the AFC championship and letting Flacco win it for them. He's no caretaker.

And as for Dalton being SO much better than Locker or Ponder or Gabbert... Dalton, Locker and Ponder are ALL game managers. Dalton is a slightly better game manager than Ponder (who doesn't have gamebreaking receivers like Green to throw to) and Locker is on a terrible team with no offensive weapons, which makes him look really bad. Gabbert is a bust so far, though the situation he's in is the worst of any of these guys.

A good game manager is good enough to help a team with great talent on defense and a good running game make it to the playoffs (See: Cassel, Matt, 2010, or any of the Martyball QBs). But it's not enough to win in the playoffs in the modern NFL unless your defense is historically dominant.
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Steve DeBerg
Dave Krieg
Rich Gannon (should have stuck with him, damn the NFL 'look')
Steve Bono
Elvis Grbac
Trent Green
Damon Huard
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Matt Cassel
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They did?
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Oh, also, no Google help here:

Steve DeBerg
Dave Krieg
Rich Gannon (should have stuck with him, damn the NFL 'look')
Steve Bono
Elvis Grbac
Trent Green
Damon Huard
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Matt Cassel
Tyler Palko
Brady Quinn
That list is just sad, INCLUDING Gannon.
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That list is just sad, INCLUDING Gannon.
Uh oh.. you're going piss off Gannon's boytoy denise.
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They did?
Yeah, 10-6 and a playoff loss is AWESOME!
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Uh oh.. you're going piss off Gannon's boytoy denise.
DNGAF.
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Yeah, 10-6 and a playoff loss is AWESOME!
To elaborate... 9-7 & 10-6 & 2 playoff losses with stat lines of:

14/30 127yds 0 TD 1 INT
27/42 257yds 0 TD 3 INT
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Oh, also, no Google help here:

Steve DeBerg
Dave Krieg
Rich Gannon (should have stuck with him, damn the NFL 'look')
Steve Bono
Elvis Grbac
Trent Green
Damon Huard
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Matt Cassel
Tyler Palko
Brady Quinn

No love for Mark Vlasic?
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Or Steve Pelluer (sp?)?
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Or Steve Pelluer (sp?)?
Yep, if your going back to 89, you have to include him. He started 3 games that year.

Ron Jaworski too. 3 games
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To elaborate... 9-7 & 10-6 & 2 playoff losses with stat lines of:

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27/42 257yds 0 TD 3 INT
No better case can be made AGAINST caretaker quarterbacks than this one.

Just look at this year's playoff slate, who the winning QBs are and how they played. Matt Schaub is the WORST QB to win a playoff game this season.
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