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Old 01-28-2013, 12:08 PM  
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2013 CP Mock Draft Discussion Thread

2013 Participants:
ChiefsCountry - Raiders, Cowboys
Pestilence - Jaguars, Seahawks
Sfeihc - Lions, Vikings
SNR - Chiefs,Packers
Marco Polo - Titans, Patriots
DaKCManAP - Dolphins, Bengals
DJ's left nut - Chargers, Texans
BossChief - Bills, Falcons
Sorter - Jets, Giants
Bo's Pelini - Browns, Ravens
DeezNutz - Cardinals, Broncos
Rams Fan - Rams, Redskins
crazycoffey - Bucs, Bears
Direckshun - Panthers,Colts
Nightfyre - Saints, 49ers
Mr. Flopnuts - Eagles, Steelers



2013 Draft Order
1 Kansas City - SNR
2 Jacksonville - Pestilence
3 Oakland - ChiefsCountry
4 Philadelphia - Mr. Flopnuts
5 Detroit - Sfeihc
6 Cleveland - Bo's Pelini
7 Arizona - DeezNutz
8 Buffalo - BossChief
9 New York Jets - Sorter
10 Tennessee - Marco Polo
11 San Diego - DJ's left nut
12 Miami - DaKCManAP
13 Tampa Bay - crazycoffey
14 Carolina - Direckshun
15 New Orleans - Nightfyre
16 St. Louis - Rams Fan
17 Pittsburgh -Mr. Flopnuts
18 Dallas - ChiefsCountry
19 New York Giants - Sorter
20 Chicago- crazycoffey
21 Cincinnati - DaKCManAP
22 St. Louis (from Washington) - Rams Fan
23 Minnesota - Sfeihc
24 Indianapolis - Direckshun
25 Minnesota (from Seattle) - Sfeihc
26 Green Bay - SNR
27 Houston - DJ's left nut
28 Denver - DeezNutz
29 New England -Marco Polo
30 Atlanta - BossChief
31 Baltimore* - Bo's Pelini
32 San Francisco* - Nightfyre

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Old 03-04-2013, 01:38 PM   #391
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Um, because Scott ***** was bad at his job?



The worst case scenerio is the Alex Smith, our QB for the next several years (do not give a shit about reports that he won't be extended; he totally will), will become Cassel 2.0 as he curls into the fetal several times a game as teams load up the left side, and never gets comfortable in Kansas City. I do not think Stephenson is a 16 game starter at LT, and neither does anybody else in this thread.

You're getting Alex Smith Mania for the next three-five years. Try, god please try to understand the importance of a serious investment at LT.
Why? The only way this team is winning !@#$ is if they have a fire-breathing defense or enough YAC pass catchers to make Smith look better. You can either zig when everyone else does and ensure that your 8-8 QB leads us to 8-8 or you can go after Floyd or Patterson and actually try to zag a little bit.

I don't care if we get Willie Roaf at LT - we'll still have a mediocre passing game. As such, why bother? Let's try to get the next Justin Smith and try to simply hide Alex Smith. Or go after the best CB in the draft and try to get teams to keep it on the ground and play to our 'strengths' - namely, ball control.

Using 1.1 on a LT is essentially multiplying by zero at this point - it just won't matter.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:46 PM   #392
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It'll matter when we have to stage ANY sort of comeback in the coming years, and teams' passrushers just pin their ears back.

You have to understand, Alex Smith finally succeeded this past year behind an offensive line with three first round picks. He needs a great line to stay upright.

Keeping Albert gives us that great line. Drafting Joeckel or Fisher gives us that great line.

To say it has no effect is laughable.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:55 PM   #393
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It'll matter when we have to stage ANY sort of comeback in the coming years, and teams' passrushers just pin their ears back.

You have to understand, Alex Smith finally succeeded this past year behind an offensive line with three first round picks. He needs a great line to stay upright.

Keeping Albert gives us that great line. Drafting Joeckel or Fisher gives us that great line.

To say it has no effect is laughable.
This team will not be staging many comebacks with Alex Smith at quarterback. It just won't be.

You can either install an elite LT in there (presuming any of these guys are one) to increase the odds of staging a monumental comeback from 10% to 20% or you can go after someone like Floyd or Patterson in an attempt to ensure that the comeback doesn't have to happen.

The problem is that you simply haven't adjusted your expectations to fit the ceiling of an Alex Smith team. Unless you have the kind of defense that the 49ers have had over the last couple of years, you're never going to be more than mediocre, regardless of the protection.

If you're going to cite the 49ers as proof that you can win with Alex Smith, you'd be well served to duplicate the most critical component of the 49er success and the only way you're going to do that is through pursuing Floyd. Though I think Patterson's skills are so incredible that I'd be willing to try to simple weaponize Smith to the point that he has no excuses not to find someone to throw to.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:09 PM   #394
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This team will not be staging many comebacks with Alex Smith at quarterback. It just won't be.
Yeah, no. This isn't Cassel we're talking about here. A quick google tells us Alex has half a dozen come from behind victories under Harbaugh alone.

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The problem is that you simply haven't adjusted your expectations to fit the ceiling of an Alex Smith team. Unless you have the kind of defense that the 49ers have had over the last couple of years, you're never going to be more than mediocre, regardless of the protection.

If you're going to cite the 49ers as proof that you can win with Alex Smith, you'd be well served to duplicate the most critical component of the 49er success and the only way you're going to do that is through pursuing Floyd. Though I think Patterson's skills are so incredible that I'd be willing to try to simple weaponize Smith to the point that he has no excuses not to find someone to throw to.
I don't disagree with most of this, but the defense was a major reason the 49ers won the past two years, but it was not the reason, as there is/was no silver bullet of success, there had to be multiple. He also received incredibly superior QB coaching, a friendlier offense, and of course a great run game behind one of the league's best OLs.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:10 PM   #395
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Bowe just resigned, and Albert is getting the tag. Now its Floyd or Milner for the draft pick.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:15 PM   #396
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:30 PM   #397
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**** you, Direckshun.

We're getting Geno.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:31 PM   #398
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IT AIN'T GONNA BE GENO!!

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Well we know Geno and Barkley will go in the top 3. Now does Pest take him for the Jags and make things intresting.
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Well we know Geno and Barkley will go in the top 3. Now does Pest take him for the Jags and make things intresting.
I don't expect Geno to make it to the #2.
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Wow... is anybody else getting the feeling that Geno might actually happen, now?

Not for SNR. Nobody cares about that asshole.

But John ****ing Dorsey and Andy Reid may actually make this happen, right?

They've made overtures to Canty, which suggests they want/wanted to plug the RDE spot in free agency. They're likely making a deal with Sean Smith to lock down our other CB starter.

The field's clearing, people. If they pull off a deal for Canty or Cullen Jenkins or a free agent DE, as they clearly want to, the only remaining threat to Geno would be an elite passrusher like Ansah or Mingo.
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I don't expect Geno to make it to the #2.
I'm talking about Barkley.
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