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View Poll Results: I'm socially ________ and fiscally ________. (fill in the blanks) | |||
I'm socially LIBERAL and fiscally CONSERVATIVE |
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23 | 57.50% |
I'm socially LIBERAL and fiscally LIBERAL |
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4 | 10.00% |
I'm socially CONSERVATIVE and fiscally CONSERVATIVE |
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11 | 27.50% |
I'm socially CONSERVATIVE and fiscally LIBERAL |
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1 | 2.50% |
I don't know what I am. I'll let Gaz decide. |
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1 | 2.50% |
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll |
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I'm socially ________ and fiscally ________. (fill in the blanks)
We've all heard others describe themselves as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Most of us have described ourselves that way at some point. I've done it before, but I've started avoiding that phrase because I think it means radically different things to different people.
For example, in petez28's recent thread (So, you say you aren't just a party line type of person?), here's a list of people who embrace the description (so far): Rain Man Dave Lane Mr. Flopnuts chiefzilla1501 crispystl420 AustinChief FishingRod Amnorix That's a pretty varied group of ideologies. So, vote in the poll and let's find the socially conservative, fiscally liberal people. |
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Here's a Jonah Goldberg column on the subject that might apply to some of you:
Wake Up, Socially Liberal Fiscal Conservatives
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None of those categories apply to me. I support federalism and feel social and morality issues are primarily with the states.
Where does that put me? Once in the states, I would probably lean to the right but I'd be libertarian on just a few issues. This would mean I don't rely on egalitarian arguments as the left uses (cultural Marxism) but would favor an as close to neutral position for that state govt, which would mean less involvement in that area period. So I'd be labeled a mix on social, but still lean to the right still. Pro-life, govt out of marriage to be neutral for instance. You need to add socially moderate fiscally conservative. That would be closer to my category. 'Cept I am not really what one would consider a moderate as I am not between the two most promoted mainstream choices but more a third category.
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I'm anxious to find someone who describes themselves as a fiscal liberal.
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The term socially liberal is an oxymoron. Socially liberal means you believe in taking the conservative approach to social issues. That would make you socially conservative, which actually means the exact opposite. It exposes the blatant hypocrisy of traditional conservatives and liberals.
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That's a realm of fiscal solvency, which is a characteristic of fiscal conservatism. |
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I think I vary from subject to subject. It also probably depends how you define these terms.
Broadly, I'm liberal socially and fiscally. |
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I mean the left can make us pay for everything with draconian taxes everywhere, coupled with lots of money printing and claim that's fiscally conservative. In a certain way, it could be I guess. I think a clear definition of fiscally conservative should be spending beyond one's means or ability to pay. But even that allows some creep when you consider taxes because we're talking about government. But then you destroy economic growth and the govt winds up with less revenue eventually anyway. So for me, the Jeffersonian and Madison idea of the "tax-and-spend" clause should be what they said and what was written in the Constitution—only based on the enumerated powers listed under Congress. That's what limits spending.
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Also that article is incredibly stupid. The 2000-2006 republican–controlled Congress was an orgy of pork spending. When the National Review comes out and lasts a Republican Congress, you know they gone off the deep end. The Republicans never cared a lick about the debt ceiling until Obama took office. If the author is unwilling to realistically address these sudden changes of heart, than he's just another partisan hack.
The Ryan budget doesn't call for any decreases in defense spending. That's just not realistic. Why does the author not mention Eisenhower's famous quote about the military-industrial complex? When republicans show some balls on cutting defense spending, then I will consider taking their rhetoric about the debt and debt ceiling seriously. Until then I just have to assume they will keep bloviating about the debt until a Republican takes office again, and then forget about it like they always do - ala Dick Cheney: "deficits don't matter". |
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The same holds true for Obama and the Dems. When they show some balls on entitlements and actual cuts rather than talking crap about them and provifing ZERO legislation adressing these, then I will honestly seriously sit up and take notice
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In today’s terms I would call myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative which honestly was what I was brought up to believe conservatism was. The Job of the Government is to do the Jobs too big for the individuals to take care of such as national defense and natural disasters and, as long as what the citizens chose to do, does not harm someone else, it is not the business of Government to meddle. I realize what constitutes harm is where the debate comes in but, as with all things one must create a balance. My balance is skewed in favor of the individual with a heavy burden of proof on the side of outlawing or regulating an activity.
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But, this is also why, one party rule is dangerous these days. The GOP, under a Progressive aka RINO president, expects him to lead by proposing a budget and they just go along. Listen to them, now begging Obama to lead. That's BA! It's the job of Congress. We need to go back to not having presidents craft legislation. Wilson started that trend. I say, our problems stem from using this idea of a "living Constitution" and not following the original document as intended. ( Of course we have Hamilton to blame for the original hijack because he used that clause expansively. )
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People dealt with them before FEMA and we have states and fundraisers by musicians. I agree that we could, however, define govt as a sort of aggregate irresponsibility of the people.
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