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Old 01-28-2013, 07:11 AM  
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Scott Piolli's Top 10 Underclassmen

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I asked former Chiefs GM Scott Pioli, who was in the midst of finalizing the club's preliminary draft board when fired early this month, to examine the record 73 underclass players who declared for the draft and pick the top 10, in his mind. His view of the junior board:

First of all, Jan. 28 is a dangerous time to commit to "top players" in any category, particularly underclassmen. There is still a lot of work to do before we know who and what these players are. Sometimes players look better with less information. NFL rules don't allow teams to officially scout underclassmen during fall campus visits, and scouts can't comment publicly on them either. When scouts go into school visits in the fall, they are not allowed to ask questions about underclassmen when speaking with coaches, trainers and any other support staff. Obviously, scouts and team officials with relationships with coaches or other school officials might glean some information regarding the players prematurely, but the understanding is clear on campuses: We're there to scout the fourth-year players, not anyone younger.

So you might ask, "Well, how do you have an idea about how the underclassmen will be rated so soon after they've declared?" I'll give you an example. I went to Tallahassee this year to scout Florida State prospects. Four other Chiefs' scouts were on campus as well during the year. We all watched tape, and we watched practice. When it comes to defensive end Bjoern Werner, for instance, we obviously saw him stand out on tape and in person. So it's not difficult to understand why he's so highly regarded by NFL teams: Watching Florida State, Werner's production jumps out at you.

This draft may have a record number of underclassmen, but it may not be the quality that people are expecting. How I see the top 10 juniors now, keeping in mind the fact-finding on them will be ongoing for the next three months before the draft:

1. Luke Joeckel, T, Texas A&M. Strong candidate for the first overall pick. Three-year starter at left tackle in the Big 12 and never red-shirted. A true height-weight-speed prospect who plays with good athleticism and body control. Will play early while he develops better hip and core strength. Good teammate too.

2. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama. One of the youngest players in the draft (20), but a very experienced corner from the best-coached DB group in the country. Milliner has the flexibility, intelligence and experience to play outside corner and also line up in the slot. Should contribute on special teams early in his career.

3. Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida. Also 20, Floyd is a strong, athletic defensive lineman who, at 6-foot-3 and 303 pounds, has position and scheme versatility. Good competitor and tough player against the run and pass. Not great sack numbers, but consistently disruptive in the pass rush, and the type of player who makes those around him better by making the offense concentrate so much on stopping him.

4. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State. Born in Germany, Werner learned football while at a Connecticut prep school as an exchange student. Played just two prep years before signing with Florida Stats. Two-year starter at left end in FSU's base and sub packages who shows surprising natural instincts, good hand strength and athletic ability. Pretty impressive to see he had 13 sacks in the ACC in the 2012 season.

5. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State. At 6-3 and 335, he still has the athleticism to line up at multiple positions on the line -- not just at the nose. Active and instinctive, and showed improvement from 2011. Very good player versus the run that needs to continue to improve his every-down consistency.

6. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama. Low-mileage rusher (355 carries in three seasons with the Tide) who played behind two outstanding backs early in his career (Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson). Averaged 6.8 yards per rush in his college career behind an offensive line better than some NFL lines. Good receiving skills, and a willing blocker. He should be an every-down back in the NFL.

7. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia. Began his college career at USC in 2009 and transferred closer to home after suffering a neck injury his true freshman year. Highly instinctive and productive college player, but at 6-3 and 241, could be a tough positional fit. Dominated certain games (Florida), disappeared in others (Alabama).

8. Keenan Allen, WR, Cal. Originally committed to Alabama out of HS, but decided to join his QB brother Zach to play together at Cal. Allen is a big (6-3, 210), savvy and highly competitive WR who has played the slot and outside. Lacks top speed, but is very natural and quick. In a WR class that appears to lack elite players, he may be the best.

9. Alec Ogletree, MLB, Georgia. Tremendously talented athlete at 6-3 and 232, and should be an every-down NFL inside 'backer or middle 'backer. Has the skill and ability to contribute immediately all defenses as well as special teams. Jumps off the tape and could have the most upside of any underclassman in the draft. But some off-the-field issues will need to be studied before giving him a final grade.

10. Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State. Three-year starter who was hampered this season by a knee injury that he played through. Good height-weight-speed prospect at 6-6 and 255 who right now is more receiver than blocker. I'm high on his ability to produce as an offensive tight end right now in the more wide-open NFL offenses. He's what we call an "F-type'' tight end, a receiver who can play off the line probably more productively than as a blocker right now.

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Old 01-28-2013, 11:44 AM   #91
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***** tried to submit a list of candidates he thought would be good fits to Clark and Mangini was on the top of that list. Mangini, Ferentz, Dean Pees, and Paul Pasqualoni were on that list.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:06 PM   #92
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I expect a big ugly upfront at #1. Either it will be LT Joeckel or a DT like Lotuleli IMO.

I bet we bring in Alex Smith and draft a QB with the 2nd pick. Probably Tyler Wilson and then groom him behind Smith for 2-3 years.

Historically both Dorsey (GB) and Reid love addressing the lines early.

This place is going to flip sh*t on here but it is the way I see how things shaking. I would love to know how many teams actually have Geno or any QB in their top 15 overall.
That would be giving up on the team for 3 years, meaning most of our Pro Bowl talent is gone. It assumes that KC fans do not want to advance to the postseason until after 2015 and would be patient to have the same old crap fed to us on a different spoon. It would assume that Dorsey (who has seen two HoF QBs save Green Bay) and Reid (who has seen his teams with McNabb and without) somehow think that a top QB is not important to a winning franchise. It would assume that they would be content with an 8-8 record and picking 13th when a star QB appears in a futures draft. It assumes that the team holding the #1 pick that year will want to trade with us at #13 and will not take better offers elsewhere, leaving us to wait another generation with mediocre QBs until we have the #1 pick again (only to be told by the media that there is no generational QB in the draft) and that we should take a big body that won't make any difference in our win loss record.

If Hunt, Reid and Roberts are that stupid, we are all screwed until the next GM and HC arrive in five years.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:17 PM   #93
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I'm confident he would have let Albert walk so he could draft a LT and tell Clark how much $$$ he just saved him.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:30 PM   #94
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Reid's shell concept is built around his LT, QB, pass rushers and #1 CB. He absolutely places a high value on the LT position.

The most demonstrative pick made, however, was the first one Reid ever made. He knows the value of wrapping up the QB position first and building around it.
THIS, THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS.

The biggest clue to Reid's plan is this concept of his 'shell'.
You need a plus LT (Albert. already here. just sign the paper. No question marks.)
You need a QB (got nothing. Nothing at all, and the only FA's available also are not anything close to a plus player.)
Pass rushers (we have bookend rushers with Hali and Houston.) The reason you see D-line picks a lot is that they always ran a 4-3, so your pass rushers are ENDS in that case. Here, they are OLB's, and we already have two excellent ones.
#1 corner-we have that too. Flowers needs some help, it's true, but we've got a #1. We need a #2 like we need air, but that's another matter.

In Andy's 'shell' concept, we are missing only the QUARTERBACK. We have OT's. We have pass rushers, we have a corner. we need a QUARTERBACK.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:37 PM   #95
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So we could have had Mangini and Joeckel with Bowe and Albert gone. Luckily I don't have to find out how made that would have made me.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:24 PM   #96
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If he didn't draft Joeckel, he would have taken ****ing Sharif mother****ing Floyd.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:27 PM   #97
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Really? You think Dorsey and Reid, who have both put together SB teams, don't know anything about "modern day" NFL football? But I suppose you believe that you and the other drafturbators, who have never worked for an NFL team, do?

The arrogance on this site is astounding.
He kind of has a point though. Wouldn't signing Alex Smith and not drafting a QB till the late rounds be EXACTLY what the team has done the last couple of decades? We HAVE to go QB number one and I don't give a **** what Kiper or any other slapdick says, their are valid options available.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:42 PM   #99
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Yup, that's exactly what he was going to do. Jesus, we dodged a bullet on that one, didn't we?

Pepper Johnson as head coach, Wes Welker to replace Bowe, Glennon at QB, Joeckel at LT....Mother of God.
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And the kicker would have been the multitude of dumb mother****ers applauding these moves.

What? Welker > Bowe. Joke > Albert. Glennon = franchise QB.

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Old 01-28-2013, 04:55 PM   #100
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I would imagine if Scott left under mutual agreement, he's not allowed to talk about his time with the Chiefs in much detail, if at all.
The exact wording Peter King uses in his article to describe Fat Scott's departure from the Chiefs is interesting:

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I asked former Chiefs GM Scott *****, who was in the midst of finalizing the club's preliminary draft board when fired early this month, to examine the record 73 underclass players who declared for the draft and pick the top 10, in his mind.
A misstatement on King's part perhaps, but considering how much of a public mouthpiece King has been for Fat Scott, I wouldn't be surprised if this wording was used intentionally even though the Chiefs official wording was a "mutual parting of ways".
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Wow, just wow. It's apparent that a man who was the highest paid GM in the NFL actually knew absolutely nothing about talent evaluation. Pioli was nothing but a Patriot cipher. I knew the guy was a terrible GM, I didn't realize the depths of his incompetence.

This guy is one of the ten BEST underclassmen according to Pioli:

In the official NFL evaluation report that Escobar got lat week, Long said Escobar was projected to go as high as the third round of the draft.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:15 PM   #104
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He kind of has a point though. Wouldn't signing Alex Smith and not drafting a QB till the late rounds be EXACTLY what the team has done the last couple of decades?
Who is advocating not drafting a QB until the late rounds? NAME ONE PERSON. This is a strawman argument.

And it has NOTHING to do with my post, which was about the absurd and quite frankly insane idea that Dorsey and Reid might not know about "modern" NFL football, but people on this forum do. They both have put together SB teams, and none of you have.

You might want to learn reading comprehension.
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