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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
— Bernie

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Old 02-05-2013, 01:02 PM   #61
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You'd like one or both of them to serve a bullpen apprenticeship for a month or two so they can A) continue to polish their stuff and B) limit their innings.
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You'd like one or both of them to serve a bullpen apprenticeship for a month or two so they can A) continue to polish their stuff and B) limit their innings.
You could do that with both.

Waino, Westbrook, and Lynn have earned spots and are reasonable bets to stay healthy.

Garcia is a huge ?

Worst case scenario: Garcia is the broken down **** he appears to be in every important start.

Kelly, Rosenthal, and Miller play musical chairs with the final two spots. Each gets two months in the pen and four months in the rotation.
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When Garcia inevitably goes down, you still have six potential starters for five spots.
Don't forget Carlos Martinez, he's young but is on track for Memphis this year; has incredible stuff.
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BTW-Happy trails, Carp.Game 3 of 06 WS & Game 5 of NLDS (against Halladay) are 2 great memories; he'll be missed.
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"We're comfortable with what we have"
Like Hamas listed, I'm comfortable with what we have too. We still have 7 pitchers for 5 spots.

Wainwright
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Lynn
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Miller
Kelly

Carp cant will the old bones for one more year. He has earned the thanks of a grateful Cardinal nation. those post season performances will never be forgotten by me and I'm sure others.
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Of course you are, Moe. You always are. WTF do you ever think needs to be upgraded on this roster and do you ever do anything but dumpster dive to improve it?
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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ESPN (Kieth Law) says the Cardinals have the #1 farm system in the MLB.

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You just don't see baseball players with passion like that anymore. I sure hope some of that Carp attitude wore off on Rosenthal while he was working out with Carp this offseason.
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While the news about Carpenter was not surprising it still sucks the same. Hopefully he can get healthy and pitch again at some point but if not he had quite and run with the Cards. That gif that Hamas posted was one of the great moments of being a Cards fan.
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We have been fielding good teams at a reasonable prices for 20+ years.
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While the news about Carpenter was not surprising it still sucks the same. Hopefully he can get healthy and pitch again at some point but if not he had quite and run with the Cards. That gif that Hamas posted was one of the great moments of being a Cards fan.
I sure hope that he decides to coach. You just cant turn off that competitiveness.
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