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The Sequester and/or Government Shutdown Approacheth

Anybody else ****ing fed up with this shit? 2013: Year of the Cliff.

Sequester hits March 1st. Government shutdown hits March 27th.

Here's the conversation on the fiscal cliff. Here's the conversation on the debt ceiling (which we'll be returning to by May... sigh).

The White House discusses the entirety of the impact in post 136. It's devastating.

Here's the FAQ on the sequester (from September):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ter-explained/

The sequester, explained
Posted by Suzy Khimm
on September 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm

The White House has released its plan explaining how the sequester’s mandatory spending cuts to defense and domestic spending will be implemented in 2013. Here’s the background on what the sequester is, how it happened and what happens from here:

What is the sequester?

It’s a package of automatic spending cuts that’s part of the Budget Control Act (BCA), which was passed in August 2011. The cuts, which are projected to total $1.2 trillion, are scheduled to begin in 2013 and end in 2021, evenly divided over the nine-year period. The cuts are also evenly split between defense spending — with spending on wars exempt — and discretionary domestic spending, which exempts most spending on entitlements like Social Security and Medicaid, as the Bipartisan Policy Center explains. The total cuts for 2013 will be $109 billion, according to the new White House report.

Under the BCA, the cuts were triggered to take effect beginning Jan. 1 if the supercommittee didn’t to agree to a $1.2 trillion deficit-reduction package by Nov. 23, 2011. The group failed to reach a deal, so the sequester was triggered.

Why does everyone hate the sequester so much?

Legislators don’t have any discretion with the across-the-board cuts: They are intended to hit all affected programs equally, though the cuts to individual areas will range from 7.6 percent to 9.6 percent (and 2 percent to Medicare providers). The indiscriminate pain is meant to pressure legislators into making a budget deal to avoid the cuts.

How would these cuts affect the country?

Since the details just came out, it’s not entirely clear yet. But many top defense officials have warned that the cuts will lead the military to be “hollowed out.” Democratic legislators have similarly warned about the impact on vital social programs. And defense, health care and other industries that are significantly dependent on federal spending say that major job losses will happen if the cuts end up taking effect.

At the same time, if legislators try to avoid the sequester without replacing it with real deficit reduction, the U.S. could face another credit downgrade.

Why did Congress and the White House agree to the sequester in the first place?

The government was approaching its debt limit, which needed to be raised through a congressional vote or else the country would default in early August 2011. While Democrats were in favor of a “clean” vote without strings attached, Republicans were demanding substantial cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

President Obama and congressional leaders ultimately agreed to the BCA, which would allow the debt ceiling to be raised by $2.1 trillion in exchange for the establishment of the supercommittee tied to the fall-back sequester, as the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities explains. The deal also includes mandatory spending reductions on top of the sequester by putting caps on non-entitlement discretionary spending that will reduce funding by $1 trillion by 2021.

Who supported the debt-ceiling deal?

Party leaders, the White House and most members of Congress supported the debt-ceiling deal: The BCA passed on a 268-161 vote in the House, with about one-third of House Republicans and half of House Democrats opposing it. It passed in the Senate, 74-26, with six Democratic senators and 19 Republican senators opposing it.

Can the sequester be avoided?

Yes, but only if Congress passes another budget deal that would achieve at least $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction. Both Democrats and Republicans have offered proposals to do so, but there still isn’t much progress on a deal. The political obstacles are the same as during the supercommittee negotiations: Republicans don’t want to raise taxes to generate revenue, while Democrats are reluctant to make dramatic changes to entitlement programs to achieve savings.

What happens from here?

No one on Capitol Hill thinks any deal will happen before Election Day. After Nov. 6, Congress will have just a few weeks to come up with an alternative to the sequester. The challenge is complicated by the fact that the Bush tax cuts, the payroll tax, unemployment benefits and a host of other tax breaks are all scheduled to expire Dec. 31. The cumulative impact of all of these scheduled cuts and changes is what’s popularly known as the fiscal cliff. There’s already talk of passing a short-term stopgap budget plan during the lame-duck session to buy legislators more time to come up with a grand bargain.

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Old 02-11-2013, 06:15 PM   #181
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So if the republicans agreed to a carbon tax to increase revenue the democrats would be open to dumb, regressive entitlement cuts?
If the GOP came to the table with a full-scale, seriously constructed carbon tax, I have little doubt in my mind the DNP would jump on it, even if it meant raising Medicare eligibility.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:19 PM   #182
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If the GOP came to the table with a full-scale, seriously constructed carbon tax, I have little doubt in my mind the DNP would jump on it, even if it meant raising Medicare eligibility.
So in that scenario raising the age of Medicare eligibility wouldn't be considered "rather than dumb, regressive cuts"?
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So in that scenario raising the age of Medicare eligibility wouldn't be considered "rather than dumb, regressive cuts"?
It totally would be.

But if your opponent is insisting on something dumb but is willing to give you something extraordinary in return, you take that deal.
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It totally would be.

But if your opponent is insisting on something dumb but is willing to give you something extraordinary in return, you take that deal.
Just for the record, you're willing to throw people that have paid 30+ years into a system they are relying on under the bus for a carbon tax. Considering you've already acknowledge it would be a dumb, regressive cut.
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Just for the record, you're willing to throw people that have paid 30+ years into a system they are relying on under the bus for a carbon tax. Considering you've already acknowledge it would be a dumb, regressive cut.
Like all Medicare reform proposals, I'd phase it in so people you're describing are exempt.
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Like all Medicare reform proposals, I'd phase it in so people you're describing are exempt.
So it isn't as dumb and regressive as you first implied.
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So it isn't as dumb and regressive as you first implied.
No, still plenty of both. Phasing it in doesn't change that.

But less unfair to those who've paid into it for longer than everybody else. And less immediate, so the economy can have some time to strengthen before the age-raise kicks in.
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No, still plenty of both. Phasing it in doesn't change that.

But less unfair to those who've paid into it for longer than everybody else. And less immediate, so the economy can have some time to strengthen before the age-raise kicks in.
I guess I didn't see the two proposals to entitlement reform so I could judge one more dumb than the other. Could you post a link?
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I guess I didn't see the two proposals to entitlement reform so I could judge one more dumb than the other. Could you post a link?
Far as I know, there haven't been any proposals by anybody just yet. None that are reviewable by our eyes, anyway.

But I don't know how any raise of eligibility wouldn't be regressive.
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Far as I know, there haven't been any proposals by anybody just yet. None that are reviewable by our eyes, anyway.
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I guess I don't understand the question?
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House GOP: No new tax bills
By: Jake Sherman
February 10, 2013 11:06 PM EST

You’ve heard of the do-nothing Congress?

House Republicans are now trying to wield the term to their political advantage, intentionally postponing passage of any tax bills until the party decides whether to reform the Tax Code. That includes repealing the tax on medical devices touted by Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) in a high-profile policy speech last week. In fact, the House hasn’t passed a single measure this Congress that either raises or cuts revenue.

But the no-new-tax-bills strategy also has another effect: It will stop the Senate from raising revenue as part of any plan to replace the sequester.

Since all revenue bills need to originate in the House, the strategy will effectively halt Senate Democrats from raising revenue in a deal to blunt the sequester. If the Senate passes a bill to increase taxes on millionaires as part of a sequester replacement plan, for example, the House cannot take up the legislation.

This under-the-radar House GOP plan is the latest weapon in the sequester wars as the massive cuts will take effect early March with the billions of dollars in cuts to the Pentagon and government agencies. Despite the growing urgency, neither side appears any closer to compromise — Republicans are refusing to budge on raising revenue, while Senate Democrats and the White House are insisting on it.

“The bottom line is we want tax reform, but we want to plug those loopholes that the president talks about, to bring down tax rates because we believe that’s pro-growth and we can get [the] economy growing again, let people who earn the money keep more of it,” Cantor said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “The president’s not talking about that. He’s talking about raising more taxes to spend.”

“The fact is we’ve had plenty of spending cuts — $1.6 trillion in the Budget Control Act. What we need is growth,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said during an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

“We have made the cut in terms of agriculture subsidies; there are tens of billions of cuts there,” she add. “That should be balanced for eliminating subsidies for Big Oil. It isn’t as much as spending problem as it is a priorities.”

Revenue isn’t the only divide. The GOP desire to replace the sequester by changing government entitlements like Medicare is a nonstarter with Democrats.

“Don’t you think … you ought to see if raising the [Medicare retirement] age really does save money?” Pelosi said Sunday. “Those people are not going to evaporate from the face of the Earth for two years. They’re going to have medical needs, and they’re going to have to be attended to.”

Republican leaders are bracing for more upheaval when the sequester hits. Defense hawks are expected to want to replace the cuts — a debate that is sure to take up much of the next two years.

Between now and the start of March, GOP leadership doesn’t have plans to pass another sequester replacement bill. Some in House leadership are concerned conservatives will demand those cuts on top of the sequester, and moderates are wary of more votes over slashing government programs. Lawmakers are tired of passing the same legislation repeatedly.

“We’ve sent things over to the Senate since last May, and it’s been ignored,” Oklahoma Rep. James Lankford, chairman of the Subcommittee on Technology, Information Policy, Intergovernmental Relations and Procurement Reform, said in an interview. “Is it worth it to keep driving that back home again or just continue to say, ‘We need to come to agreement, what can the Senate pass?’”

Delaying the cuts is an option that doesn’t have a lot of fans in Republican leadership.

The House GOP is also trying to avoid a late-hour government shutdown drama over a continuing resolution by passing a funding bill this month, well ahead of March 27, when money actually runs dry, according to several top-level aides. The bill is going to adhere to the sequester-mandated level of spending: $974 billion in discretionary spending. The legislation might also include specific language to ensure that the Obama administration cannot bypass the automatic spending cuts by executive order or other measures.

House Republicans want to move before the Senate can pen its own government-funding bill, which they think might set spending at a higher level.

Instead of pushing its own priorities, GOP leadership is turning to its members to craft an agenda. Beginning this week, GOP Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington state and Lankford are gathering lawmakers to craft ideas in three areas: economic growth and jobs, supporting American families and upholding American values.

All of this planning is centered around one calculation: The sequester will take effect. Aides to Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Cantor and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) want to avoid the harsh cuts but aren’t hopeful they’ll be able to succeed.

Republicans think the political environment has shifted in their favor: They think they have the upper hand in the sequester fight. They don’t have to pass anything, and the cuts will take effect. They are guided, in part, by a new mantra: Pick smart fights, and keep expectations low.

The White House is hoping Republicans bend and will accept revenue to head off the cuts.

A recent poll by The Tarrance Group, commissioned by the center-right American Action Forum, shows that the public agrees with House Republicans. Fifty-two percent of respondents in the poll think a future debt deal should not include tax increases.

Republicans succeeded in defusing one battle with their united approach to raising the debt ceiling last month. They voted to delay that decision until May as long as the Senate approved a budget or members wouldn’t get paid. Senators passed the House GOP plan, which was signed by Obama, and now plan to submit their own budget by April 15.

The party isn’t totally out of the woods. Republican leaders estimate that the debt ceiling will need to be raised in August — far later than they had thought. So the party will spend the first eight months of 2013 fighting over deficits, debts and the nation’s fiscal health.
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House Republicans Unlikely To Pass New Sequester Replacement Plan
Brian Beutler
February 11, 2013, 2:41 PM

Buried in this Politico story about the House GOP’s sequester strategy is a key admission.

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Between now and the start of March, GOP leadership doesn’t have plans to pass another sequester replacement bill. Some in House leadership are concerned conservatives will demand those cuts on top of the sequester, and moderates are wary of more votes over slashing government programs.
This is what Republicans — most recently House Majority Leader Eric Cantor — are obscuring when they claim, in Cantor’s words, that “[t]he House has put forward an alternative plan.”

“The House has acted to prevent the devastating consequences of President Obama’s sequester,” Michael Steel, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, told TPM Monday. “We passed a bill more than six months ago, we passed a bill six weeks ago. The President and Senate Democrats now have the responsibility to act.”

But that plan expired when the 112th Congress came to a close, and there’s reason to suspect House Republicans couldn’t pass it or something similar again with their slightly diminished majority.

Republicans say it’s less a vote count issue than a strategic calculation.

“Since the House acted recently, we need to do everything possible to keep the focus on the Senate and the President,” said one senior House GOP aide.

But anyone who has studied House Republicans for the past two years knows that they tend to come to these fights prepared. Specifically, when a major legislative deadline looms, they pass conservative legislation in the House to either force Senate Democrats to act, or pass them the blame for the consequences when they don’t.

That strategy blew up in their faces during the fight over the fiscal cliff late last year, and if it happened again now, it would unintentionally underscore the fact that they need Democratic votes to replace the sequester. And Democrats suspect that’s what’s really going on here.

“If Republicans could pass a sequester plan, they would,” Adam Jentleson, communications director for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) told TPM. “This is a tacit admission of what we have said all along, which is that the only plan that can pass both houses is a balanced approach that combines smart spending cuts with revenue measures that ask the wealthiest Americans to contribute.”

Conservative operative and commentator Bill Kristol recognizes this as a vulnerability.

“The Republican House, to its credit, did pass legislation in 2012 that would have fixed the sequester in a responsible way,” he writes. “The current Republican House should do so again, this month, before the sequester goes into effect.”

Recent history suggests they would if they could, but that they probably can’t.
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House Republicans Unlikely To Pass New Sequester Replacement Plan
Brian Beutler
February 11, 2013, 2:41 PM

Buried in this Politico story about the House GOP’s sequester strategy is a key admission.



This is what Republicans — most recently House Majority Leader Eric Cantor — are obscuring when they claim, in Cantor’s words, that “[t]he House has put forward an alternative plan.”

“The House has acted to prevent the devastating consequences of President Obama’s sequester,” Michael Steel, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, told TPM Monday. “We passed a bill more than six months ago, we passed a bill six weeks ago. The President and Senate Democrats now have the responsibility to act.”

But that plan expired when the 112th Congress came to a close, and there’s reason to suspect House Republicans couldn’t pass it or something similar again with their slightly diminished majority.

Republicans say it’s less a vote count issue than a strategic calculation.

“Since the House acted recently, we need to do everything possible to keep the focus on the Senate and the President,” said one senior House GOP aide.

But anyone who has studied House Republicans for the past two years knows that they tend to come to these fights prepared. Specifically, when a major legislative deadline looms, they pass conservative legislation in the House to either force Senate Democrats to act, or pass them the blame for the consequences when they don’t.

That strategy blew up in their faces during the fight over the fiscal cliff late last year, and if it happened again now, it would unintentionally underscore the fact that they need Democratic votes to replace the sequester. And Democrats suspect that’s what’s really going on here.

“If Republicans could pass a sequester plan, they would,” Adam Jentleson, communications director for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) told TPM. “This is a tacit admission of what we have said all along, which is that the only plan that can pass both houses is a balanced approach that combines smart spending cuts with revenue measures that ask the wealthiest Americans to contribute.”

Conservative operative and commentator Bill Kristol recognizes this as a vulnerability.

“The Republican House, to its credit, did pass legislation in 2012 that would have fixed the sequester in a responsible way,” he writes. “The current Republican House should do so again, this month, before the sequester goes into effect.”

Recent history suggests they would if they could, but that they probably can’t.
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Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
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