Nat'l Security DoD lifts ban on women in combat - Page 8

Deberg_1990 · 01-24-2013, 08:54 AM

Does this mean that women will now have to register with the Selective Service as well?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...ds-4218940.php

In a historic action, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta today will remove the ban on women in combat that has excluded them from jobs ranging from infantry squad leaders and tank gunners to commandoes.

The decision, praised by women's advocates but denounced by the conservative Family Research Council, ends a 1994 Pentagon policy that barred women from high-risk ground combat jobs.

Women often have seen combat anyway over the past decade, as 283,000 of them went to Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a Congressional Research Service report, with 144 killed and 855 wounded.

“I remember in 1990 when we went into the first Gulf War, there was an uproar about women going to the front lines and talking about women being taken away from their children and having to go to war, having to go into combat,” said Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau, a retired Air Force major general.

“Then when we went into the Iraqi war (in 2003), there were no longer those kinds of issues,” she said. “Those issues weren't raised because people were recognizing that we've done this for a long time, women are trained to do this.”

Military officials said Panetta would unveil details in a news conference this afternoon.

An implementation period is expected, though details of how the service branches will phase in the policy weren't clear.

Anu Bhagwati, executive director of Service Women's Action Network, which joined three officers and an Army staff sergeant in lawsuit led by the ACLU to overturn the policy, called the decision a historic moment.

The policy, and laws before it, were rooted in a military long segregated by color, ethnicity and gender. But barriers to women had fallen over the decades, especially after the Women's Army Corps was disbanded in 1978.

The combat exclusion policy had barred women from serving in around 238,000 jobs, said Bhagwati, who noted that many of those positions set the stage for higher-ranking assignments. Giving women the chance to compete for combat roles, she predicted, would improve retention and recruiting.

Women make up 14 percent of the 1.4 million troops in the armed forces

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...#ixzz2IuPbDodW

BucEyedPea · 01-25-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

I'd love to have count on some 130lb GI Jane to have to carry my wounded body out of enemy fire. "Guys I need you to help here! I'm a woman!".

This is dumb idealism at it's finest.

What about a 115 pounder?

Amnorix · 01-25-2013, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

I'd love to have count on some 130lb GI Jane to have to carry my wounded body out of enemy fire. "Guys I need you to help here! I'm a woman!".

This is dumb idealism at it's finest.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

Aye-****ing-Men

See what I did there?

Think Panetta specifically said they would be. Don't think the plan is to adjust the requirements so that anybody can qualify.

Amnorix · 01-25-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

No you don't get it, plus I already know that material.

No, you just make it up on the fly mostly.

Pitt Gorilla · 01-25-2013, 02:01 PM

I thought Panetta was fairly clear that the physical standards would not be lowered.

BucEyedPea · 01-25-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

No, you just make it up on the fly mostly.

Like your liberal sc justices apparently to you living Constitution types who think it was written on rubber.

BucEyedPea · 01-25-2013, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I thought Panetta was fairly clear that the physical standards would not be lowered.

They already have been.

Garcia Bronco · 01-25-2013, 02:50 PM

I guess now woman of the proper age need to register with selective services as well.

No one really answered my question from yesterday but are you ready to see wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers KIA or as POWs? Are you ready to see them drafted should that ever occur again?

Cheater5 · 01-25-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I thought Panetta was fairly clear that the physical standards would not be lowered.

They already have been. Standards 'changed' (thereby avoiding the uncomfortable question of 'lowering' standards) last summer at the Infantry School in anticipation of this decision.

I worked there. Women will be pushed through to highlight how successful this BS initiative is.

-King- · 01-25-2013, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I guess now woman of the proper age need to register with selective services as well.

No one really answered my question from yesterday but are you ready to see wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers KIA or as POWs? Are you ready to see them drafted should that ever occur again?

I don't think anyone is ready to see Fathers, sons, brothers, and husbands in those positions either...

Otter · 01-25-2013, 07:42 PM

If you cnuty liberals could see your nose past your face outside of telling people how to live their own lives you would see this is going to blow up in your face. And when you stupid ****s look up with no eyebrows there will be no one to blame this time.

You make me sick. I'm looking forward to a good laugh. Thanks!

CoMoChief · 01-26-2013, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

I don't think anyone is ready to see Fathers, sons, brothers, and husbands in those positions either...

They already have been, and it's been widely accepted throughout human history that the man/boy goes out and serves in the military...mom/girl stays home and raises infants and watches the family/home.

I sure as hell don't think women need to be in combat.

Don't think they need to be police officers either. Just personal opinion.

Bowser · 01-26-2013, 12:32 PM

Word of advice - get the **** out of the way when Amber gets ready to rock n' roll in combat with the SAW.

Garcia Bronco · 01-26-2013, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

I don't think anyone is ready to see Fathers, sons, brothers, and husbands in those positions either...

You know its different otherwise you would have answered the closed ended question with an answer of "No"

Direckshun · 01-29-2013, 09:55 AM

Pew: 66% support for this move.

BucEyedPea · 01-29-2013, 10:28 AM

The Feminist Objection to Women in Combat

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/arc...combat/272505/

01-24-2013, 08:54 AM
Deberg_1990 MVP Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $138939	DoD lifts ban on women in combat Does this mean that women will now have to register with the Selective Service as well? http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...ds-4218940.php In a historic action, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta today will remove the ban on women in combat that has excluded them from jobs ranging from infantry squad leaders and tank gunners to commandoes. The decision, praised by women's advocates but denounced by the conservative Family Research Council, ends a 1994 Pentagon policy that barred women from high-risk ground combat jobs. Women often have seen combat anyway over the past decade, as 283,000 of them went to Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a Congressional Research Service report, with 144 killed and 855 wounded. “I remember in 1990 when we went into the first Gulf War, there was an uproar about women going to the front lines and talking about women being taken away from their children and having to go to war, having to go into combat,” said Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau, a retired Air Force major general. “Then when we went into the Iraqi war (in 2003), there were no longer those kinds of issues,” she said. “Those issues weren't raised because people were recognizing that we've done this for a long time, women are trained to do this.” Military officials said Panetta would unveil details in a news conference this afternoon. An implementation period is expected, though details of how the service branches will phase in the policy weren't clear. Anu Bhagwati, executive director of Service Women's Action Network, which joined three officers and an Army staff sergeant in lawsuit led by the ACLU to overturn the policy, called the decision a historic moment. The policy, and laws before it, were rooted in a military long segregated by color, ethnicity and gender. But barriers to women had fallen over the decades, especially after the Women's Army Corps was disbanded in 1978. The combat exclusion policy had barred women from serving in around 238,000 jobs, said Bhagwati, who noted that many of those positions set the stage for higher-ranking assignments. Giving women the chance to compete for combat roles, she predicted, would improve retention and recruiting. Women make up 14 percent of the 1.4 million troops in the armed forces Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...#ixzz2IuPbDodW
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