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Old 01-24-2013, 08:54 AM  
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DoD lifts ban on women in combat

Does this mean that women will now have to register with the Selective Service as well?



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In a historic action, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta today will remove the ban on women in combat that has excluded them from jobs ranging from infantry squad leaders and tank gunners to commandoes.

The decision, praised by women's advocates but denounced by the conservative Family Research Council, ends a 1994 Pentagon policy that barred women from high-risk ground combat jobs.

Women often have seen combat anyway over the past decade, as 283,000 of them went to Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a Congressional Research Service report, with 144 killed and 855 wounded.

“I remember in 1990 when we went into the first Gulf War, there was an uproar about women going to the front lines and talking about women being taken away from their children and having to go to war, having to go into combat,” said Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau, a retired Air Force major general.

“Then when we went into the Iraqi war (in 2003), there were no longer those kinds of issues,” she said. “Those issues weren't raised because people were recognizing that we've done this for a long time, women are trained to do this.”

Military officials said Panetta would unveil details in a news conference this afternoon.

An implementation period is expected, though details of how the service branches will phase in the policy weren't clear.

Anu Bhagwati, executive director of Service Women's Action Network, which joined three officers and an Army staff sergeant in lawsuit led by the ACLU to overturn the policy, called the decision a historic moment.

The policy, and laws before it, were rooted in a military long segregated by color, ethnicity and gender. But barriers to women had fallen over the decades, especially after the Women's Army Corps was disbanded in 1978.

The combat exclusion policy had barred women from serving in around 238,000 jobs, said Bhagwati, who noted that many of those positions set the stage for higher-ranking assignments. Giving women the chance to compete for combat roles, she predicted, would improve retention and recruiting.

Women make up 14 percent of the 1.4 million troops in the armed forces



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Old 01-24-2013, 10:27 AM   #31
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We have had women in combat for years.


No we have not. There were limitations on it.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:28 AM   #32
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It's sort of hard-wired in there isn't it? Protect the women and children. I know that I will subconsciously see women as givers of life, and children as the future of society, no matter how much PC indoctrination I endure.
That's how I see it...and that has also been the pattern in the Israeli army too.
It's nothing more than division of labor—which is more efficient.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:30 AM   #33
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How feminists can be so against violence to women and then cheer this is cognitive dissonance.
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Geez, how many of your logical fallacies can you fit into one sentence?

I'll just pick one. Being "against violence" does not mean believing that it is never necessary and/or being unwilling to use it if circumstances require.
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Name them.

Then tell me what part of stating an opinion you don't understand.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you over the nuances of making an assertion and stating an opinion, such as "feminists are so against violence."
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:31 AM   #34
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I'm not going to get into a debate with you over the nuances of making an assertion and stating an opinion, such as "feminists are so against violence."
I will not be BEPped today. I won't.
Because you're unable too. I got it. You're the one who engaged in the logical fallacy anyway. Classic projection.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:32 AM   #35
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:32 AM   #36
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No we have not. There were limitations on it.


I lost a girl friend in Iraq. She was there less than a week. No body came home. The IED more or less vaporized her. & killed one other
Army Staff Sgt. Tricia L. Jameson

34, of Omaha, Nebraska.
Jameson died in Trebil, Iraq. Jameson, a health care specialist was responding to a casualty incident when a secondary improvised explosive device detonated near her location. She was assigned to 313th Medical Company, Army National Guard, Lincoln, Nebraska. Died on July 14, 2005.

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Old 01-24-2013, 10:32 AM   #37
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No we have not. There were limitations on it.
Again.

So if there were "limitations" on it that = "not in combat"?
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:34 AM   #38
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I lost a girl friend in Iraq. She was there less than a week. No body came home. The IED more or less vaporized her. & killed one other
Army Staff Sgt. Tricia L. Jameson

34, of Omaha, Nebraska.
Jameson died in Trebil, Iraq. Jameson, a health care specialist was responding to a casualty incident when a secondary improvised explosive device detonated near her location. She was assigned to 313th Medical Company, Army National Guard, Lincoln, Nebraska. Died on July 14, 2005.
Were there "limitations" on her? Then she wasn't in combat.

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Old 01-24-2013, 10:36 AM   #39
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No we have not. There were limitations on it.[

I lost a girl friend in Iraq. She was there less than a week. No body came home. The IED more or less vaporized her. & killed one other


34, of Omaha, Nebraska.
Jameson died in Trebil, Iraq. Jameson, a health care specialist was responding to a casualty incident when a secondary improvised explosive device detonated near her location. She was assigned to 313th Medical Company, Army National Guard, Lincoln, Nebraska. Died on July 14, 2005.
So.

How many contractors were killed who were not serving in combat? That could have happened to anyone going over there.

I have no information about how your friend was serving in Iraq, such as in combat or being on a supply line. ( Wasn't that what Jessica Lynch was doing?) The other one you mentioned was a health care specialist responding to a casualty. How is this serving in combat?

Also, it was during Iraq that rules on combat were being bypassed and became a defacto rule due to needing people, in terms of being on front lines. But it was not official policy. I remember reading about it.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:38 AM   #40
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I lost a girl friend in Iraq. She was there less than a week. No body came home. The IED more or less vaporized her. & killed one other
Army Staff Sgt. Tricia L. Jameson

34, of Omaha, Nebraska.
Jameson died in Trebil, Iraq. Jameson, a health care specialist was responding to a casualty incident when a secondary improvised explosive device detonated near her location. She was assigned to 313th Medical Company, Army National Guard, Lincoln, Nebraska. Died on July 14, 2005.

http://www.fallenheroesmemorial.com/...ontricial.html
My condolences for your loss.
Just for FYI purposes, she may have been in a combat zone but that is not a combat unit. She was probably a medic, right?
What they’re talking about now is putting them in the infantry as combat soldiers.
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Were there "limitations" on her? Then she wasn't in combat.

/BEP the idiot
She was in the combat zone or front line going after 5 marines that had been hit by motor fire I believe.
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Again.

So if there were "limitations" on it that = "not in combat"?
Look at the thread title and apply some logic to it. If DoD is lifting a ban on combat for women then how could they have been in combat?


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My condolences for your loss.
Just for FYI purposes, she may have been in a combat zone but that is not a combat unit. She was probably a medic, right?
What they’re talking about now is putting them in the infantry as combat soldiers.
Yes she was a medic. She was the first of 3 friends I lost over there.
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No we have not. There were limitations on it.
Jessica Lynch was a supply troop, but was on a convoy mission supporting combat troops. Obviously very close to the action anyways.....
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