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Old 01-21-2013, 10:34 AM  
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The Sean Taylor Memorial Meast for Championship Sunday is Bernard Pollard. We’re not celebrating the fact that he crippled Stevan Ridley to cause a game-clinching fumble so much as Bonecrusher Pollard’s continued legacy as the Greatriots’ most celebrated villain. It is only fitting on this, Patriots Schadenfreude Day. Only once since 2008 has Pollard not in some way had a hand in the Patriots’ downfall. In 2008, he mangled Brady’s knee. In 2009, he took out Welker. He took off 2010 to chill, but he was back in 2011 to mess up Gronk’s knee for the Super Bowl. Yesterday was just the latest in a fantastic campaign of malevolence perpetrated against New England.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:11 PM   #91
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He's a very very similar player.


Who doesn't miss tackles or give up touchdowns now.

So other than the fact that he doesn't ****ing suck at league-worst levels, he's similar!

The ****.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:12 PM   #92
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PFF's rankings are always subject to review.
Here we go. Same shit every time someone gets clowned.

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Old 01-22-2013, 03:12 PM   #93
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I never claimed Newsome was a moron. Ive seen other guys excel in the same role as Pollard and go on to suck with other teams. Dwan Laundry, Leonard, Zwibitkowski, and the dude with the Japanese name all looked good in that role and were average at best with other teams.
And what would have ever kept Pollard from excelling in that role here but the idiot machinations of a lousy GM and his hand-picked stooges that coached this team?

Look at Berry - that's exactly the kind of smart, athletic, physical safety that could have played alongside Pollard, covered ground and left Pollard in a perfect position to go out there and reek havoc over the middle.

It would've been an absolutely ideal duo in our defensive backfield. Instead we've spent 2 seasons with the glass jaw of Kendrick Lewis and his random replacements out there.

Pollard's a guy that plays an important role on most good defenses. And he'd have easily been able to play that role here.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:13 PM   #94
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I don't think he would have.

It took a change of scenery for the guy to wake up the **** up and improve. (Plus better coaching/team environment)

That's what happened.

He was NEVER this good in KC, EVER.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:15 PM   #95
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Here we go. Same shit every time someone gets clowned.

"I know more than the foremost football grading site in existence!"
Which evidently knows more than one of the most respected GMs in the business?

It's a valuable tool, no question. And as Ozzie Newsome knew when he decided to give Pollard $12 million, it's not dispositive.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:16 PM   #96
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I don't think he would have.

It took a change of scenery for the guy to wake up the **** up and improve. (Plus better coaching/team environment)

That's what happened.

He was NEVER this good in KC, EVER.
He was 23.

He was never a veteran with 6 years of starting experience, 4 years of good coaching and an organization that believed in him in KC.

Funny thing - players tend to get better when you add all those things together.

There's no reason he couldn't have been all those things in Kansas City. This again goes back to the fact that ***** was a shitty General Manager that installed a shitty coaching staff and did a shitty job of identifying talent that was worth coaching up (Pollard) and talent that wasn't (Jackson).
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:19 PM   #97
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Who doesn't miss tackles or give up touchdowns now.

So other than the fact that he doesn't ****ing suck at league-worst levels, he's similar!

The ****.
He's being put in positions to succeed in Baltimore and he's actually been taught the game.

He's still a guy that will lose his responsibilities in coverage and go for a knockout blow instead of the 'sound' tackle quite often. He's the same type of player he's always been.

He's just better at it. Age, experience and coaching will do that for you.

I said this 3 years ago - your position is an unassailable one. If he had stayed awful, you could say you were right because he was awful. Had he become good, you could say he just needed 'a wakeup call'. In essence, you've just taken the position that no matter what happens, you were right.

Bullshit - Bernard Pollard could have been and should have been all those things in Kansas City but Pioli is a goddamn moron and never gave him that chance.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:38 PM   #98
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He's being put in positions to succeed in Baltimore and he's actually been taught the game.

He's still a guy that will lose his responsibilities in coverage and go for a knockout blow instead of the 'sound' tackle quite often. He's the same type of player he's always been.

He's just better at it. Age, experience and coaching will do that for you.

I said this 3 years ago - your position is an unassailable one. If he had stayed awful, you could say you were right because he was awful. Had he become good, you could say he just needed 'a wakeup call'. In essence, you've just taken the position that no matter what happens, you were right.

Bullshit - Bernard Pollard could have been and should have been all those things in Kansas City but ***** is a goddamn moron and never gave him that chance.
The guy had been here for 3 years, had a history of being a lousy tackler and was only getting worse.

I wouldn't have given him another chance, either.

He's not the same play he was at all. I mean, he went from a guy who was a complete liability to a guy who didn't allow a single TD this year.

That's not even close.

Pioli ****ed up a lot of things but lots of GMs would have cut Bernard Pollard. He was basically the black Sabby Piscitelli.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:40 PM   #99
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He was 23.

He was never a veteran with 6 years of starting experience, 4 years of good coaching and an organization that believed in him in KC.


He had started 31 games in his career at that point.

And he was getting worse, not better.

Safety isn't WR or QB. It's one of the most "Ready-to-play" positions in football for young starters.

Come on, man.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:42 PM   #100
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he decided to give Pollard $12 million, it's not dispositive.


This is what you're using now?

He got a 3 million dollar signing bonus, whooptie do.

Chump change for a guy who needed to prove a lot.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:45 PM   #101
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Pollard's a guy that plays an important role on most good defenses. .
The Ravens have only gotten worse on defense since he arrived, while the Chiefs have only gotten better.

In fact, you wanna hear something awesome?

Before last week, Pollard had played two completely garbage playoff games.

But he makes a couple of nice hits and all his ballwashers from 4 years ago come out of the woodwork to cry.

Par for the course.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:58 PM   #102
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:25 PM   #104
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Pollard gets a lot of crap in KC, but the guy has turned out to be fantastic value from a second round pick. 7 seasons, most of them starting. Good enough to start on defense for the best defense in the league. This just illustrates how the Chiefs used to be able to evaluate talent, especially on defense. We must get back to that
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:29 PM   #105
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Good enough to start on defense for the best defense in the league.
See, you shouldn't even come to the debate table with weaksauce like this.

Baltimore was 17th in yards and 12th in pts.
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